Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

all of whom trained

Italian translation:

ciascuno/ognuno dei quali ha allenato

Added to glossary by Rosario Liberto
Dec 16, 2012 11:31
11 yrs ago
English term

all of whom trained

English to Italian Science Sports / Fitness / Recreation Test per il nuoto
Salve, sto traducendo un articolo su test specifici per il nuoto, e mi trovo di fronte un quantificatore seguito da pronome interrogativo che mi dà qualche dubbio nella resa italiana. Metto entrambi fra due asterischi.

The 5.3 cm (12.3%) increase in height of the countermovement jump with arm swing for the training group was similar to the increases reported by Bauer et al. (1990), Holcomb et al. (1996) and Lyttle (1996), *all of whom* trained male participants for 8-10 weeks.

Mi sembra strano che questo ''all of whom'' si riferisca ai nominativi precedenti e che quindi si traduca soltanto con ''che''.
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Change log

Dec 16, 2012 16:23: Pierluigi Bernardini changed "Field" from "Other" to "Science" , "Field (specific)" from "Linguistics" to "Sports / Fitness / Recreation" , "Field (write-in)" from "(none)" to "Test per il nuoto"

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Non-PRO (2): Danila Moro, Antonio Tomás Lessa do Amaral

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Discussion

Adriano Bonetto Dec 16, 2012:
all of whom trained Sì, Pierluigi può aver ragione, comunque non credo che sia essenziale ai fini della comprensione. Piuttosto, e se fosse: (tutti) partecipanti maschi allenati per 8-10 settimane? Potrebbe essere? chiedo ai colleghi

Proposed translations

4 hrs
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ciascuno/ognuno dei quali ha allenato

Nel cotesto della frase e nel contesto sportivo specifico, direi così.

Mi capita molto spesso di usare "ognuno/cascuno di" come traducente di "all of...".

In questo modo eviteresti anche l'uso del "che".

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Note added at 4 ore (2012-12-16 15:57:41 GMT)
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Cioè qui si parla di allenamenti mirati a uno specifico scopo di ricerca o controllo delle prestazioni sportive. Da qui la mia risposta e il mio commento.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Grazie."
+1
19 mins

che furono tutti allenatori dii

un'altra proposta...

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Note added at 20 min (2012-12-16 11:51:27 GMT)
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di, evidentemente...
Note from asker:
Quindi evidentemente si tratta proprio degli studiosi? Grazie Adriano.
Peer comment(s):

agree Sara Maghini
21 mins
neutral Pierluigi Bernardini : qui non è che "furono allenatori di", ma hanno allenato i soggetti appositamente, come esperimento, immagino
4 hrs
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16 mins

i quali, tutti, allenarono

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Note added at 30 min (2012-12-16 12:01:20 GMT)
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Si, secondo me sono gli studiosi stessi. Quando si effettua una ricerca sul campo sono gli stessi studiosi a seguire gli allenamenti, per poi annotare tutti i dati ecc. Qui trovi un esempio http://www.edf.ufpr.br/Especializacao/Natacao/Swimming start... :-)
Note from asker:
Grazie, cioè si riferisce agli studiosi? Mi sembra strano...loro probabilmente sono soltanto studiosi e non allenatori....
Ah ok, grazie mille :)
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+2
40 mins

che hanno tutti allenato

il passato remoto non si usa molto in italiano, si riferisce a tutti gli autori nominati in precedenza

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Note added at 5 hrs (2012-12-16 17:13:12 GMT)
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secondo me il lavoro indica che il punto di partenza e' comune, i lavori dei vari autori vanno intesi in blocco, si potrebbe anche dire
partendo tutti da un allenamento di tot settimane, il presupposto e' un riferimento comune
Note from asker:
Grazie mille.
Peer comment(s):

agree Sara Maghini
1 min
grazie Sara, buona domenica!
agree P.L.F. Persio
44 mins
grazie missdutch, buona giornata anche a te!
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Reference comments

42 mins
Reference:

all of whom

i quali

The truth is, very few people use whom in speech when it's technically correct. Even scholars who know the rules don't always apply them. It just sounds too puffy sometimes.

"Whom were you talking to?" just sounds a little uptight, doesn't it? Most teachers will use the word who in this case, even if they know better.
Nonetheless, the word still exists, and some people do take all grammar rules very seriously. Some college officials, for example, will want to see and hear excellent grammar in your communications. It's well worth your while to understand the basic rules underlying the use of who and whom.


Whom is used as an object.

Who is at the door?
Whom did you see at the door?

Do you understand why who is correct in one sentence and whom is correct in the other? The answer is, who is always used as the subject of a sentence or clause, and whom is always used as an object.
Note from asker:
Grazie mille Gian.
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree P.L.F. Persio
42 mins
Grazie
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