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Grammar
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Grammar
http://www.proz.com/job/706727
appears -
"The outsourcer has requested *that this job not be reposted* elsewhere. "
Is that right grammar? - Or should it not rather be something like -
- that this job *should* not be reposted or
- *this job not to* be reposted?
4 +8 | correct | Darius Saczuk |
5 +4 | English subjunctive | John Holland |
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Ok then, though it still sounds cumsy to me. - For me it would have been more succint to say "has requested this job not to be posted eleswhere". |
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DLyons
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Thank you. :-)
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Donna Stevens
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Thank you, Donna. :-)
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Jack Doughty
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Thank you, Jack. :-)
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PoveyTrans (X)
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Thank you, Simon. :-)
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B D Finch
: Correct and not the slightest bit "clumsy".
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Thank you. Yes, it's natural English.
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Tony M
: Yes, and asker's suggested 'correction' WOULD be wrong!
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Thank you, Tony. :-)
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Yvonne Gallagher
: absolutely correct and Asker's suggestion wrong
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Thanks. :-)
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Anita Šumer
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Thank you, Anita. :-)
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English subjunctive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_subjunctive
"The main use of the English present subjunctive, called the mandative or jussive subjunctive,[1] occurs in that clauses (declarative content clauses; the word that can sometimes be omitted) expressing a circumstance which is desired, demanded, recommended, necessary, or similar. Such a clause may be dependent on verbs like insist, suggest, demand, prefer,[2] adjectives like necessary, desirable,[3] or nouns like recommendation, necessity;[4] it may be part of the expression in order that... (or some formal uses of so that...); it may also stand independently as the subject of a clause or as a predicative expression.
The form is called the present subjunctive because it resembles the present indicative in form, not because it need refer to the present time. In fact this form can equally well be used in sentences referring to past, future or hypothetical time (the time frame is normally expressed in the verb of the main clause).
Examples:
I insist (that) he leave now.
We asked that it be done yesterday.
It might be desirable that you not publish the story."
The last example above is particularly close to the usage you've highlighted.
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Oh, too slow!
In any case, maybe the explanation on Wikipedia will help. :)
Thank you, John, for the abundant footage. And sorry that, because of being copious, it came in second. Maybe it takes also more time to get a five star menu - though I've never tried that out. - R. |
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Simon Mac
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Thanks, Simon
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Alison Sparks (X)
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Thanks, Alison
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Tony M
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Thanks, Tony M
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Yvonne Gallagher
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Thank you, gallagy2
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