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correct

    The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2012-10-30 12:55:57 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)
Oct 27, 2012 11:38
11 yrs ago
English term

Grammar

English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters ProZ.com job posting
On the bottom of this ProZ.com job posting

http://www.proz.com/job/706727

appears -


"The outsourcer has requested *that this job not be reposted* elsewhere. "

Is that right grammar? - Or should it not rather be something like -

- that this job *should* not be reposted or

- *this job not to* be reposted?
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Non-PRO (1): Cilian O'Tuama

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Discussion

B D Finch Oct 27, 2012:
Asker's suggestion ... ... of "has requested this job not to be posted elsewhere" would be wrong because that construction makes "this job" the direct object of "has requested". Clearly, the request could not have been addressed to the job, but to any person who might be in a position to repost it!
Darius Saczuk Oct 27, 2012:
This construction is widely used in AmE.
Roland Nienerza (asker) Oct 27, 2012:
oops - In my closing note, "clumsy" of course instead of "cumsy". - A pity that they do not let these notes to be edited.
Darius Saczuk Oct 27, 2012:
The "should" option suggested by you is not normally used in AmE. In AmE should is normally dropped, and that's why you have a bare infinitive here (BE).
Darius Saczuk Oct 27, 2012:
You can find a neat explanation in Practical English Grammar by Thomson and Martinet, Practical English Usage by Michael Swan or Advanced English Practice by B.D. Graver.

Responses

+8
3 mins
Selected

correct

This is SUBJUNCTIVE MOOD
Note from asker:
Ok then, though it still sounds cumsy to me. - For me it would have been more succint to say "has requested this job not to be posted eleswhere".
Peer comment(s):

agree DLyons
0 min
Thank you. :-)
agree Donna Stevens
9 mins
Thank you, Donna. :-)
agree Jack Doughty
15 mins
Thank you, Jack. :-)
agree PoveyTrans (X)
21 mins
Thank you, Simon. :-)
agree B D Finch : Correct and not the slightest bit "clumsy".
1 hr
Thank you. Yes, it's natural English.
agree Tony M : Yes, and asker's suggested 'correction' WOULD be wrong!
2 hrs
Thank you, Tony. :-)
agree Yvonne Gallagher : absolutely correct and Asker's suggestion wrong
5 hrs
Thanks. :-)
agree Anita Šumer
6 hrs
Thank you, Anita. :-)
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+4
6 mins

English subjunctive

It's in the subjunctive mood:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_subjunctive

"The main use of the English present subjunctive, called the mandative or jussive subjunctive,[1] occurs in that clauses (declarative content clauses; the word that can sometimes be omitted) expressing a circumstance which is desired, demanded, recommended, necessary, or similar. Such a clause may be dependent on verbs like insist, suggest, demand, prefer,[2] adjectives like necessary, desirable,[3] or nouns like recommendation, necessity;[4] it may be part of the expression in order that... (or some formal uses of so that...); it may also stand independently as the subject of a clause or as a predicative expression.

The form is called the present subjunctive because it resembles the present indicative in form, not because it need refer to the present time. In fact this form can equally well be used in sentences referring to past, future or hypothetical time (the time frame is normally expressed in the verb of the main clause).

Examples:
I insist (that) he leave now.
We asked that it be done yesterday.
It might be desirable that you not publish the story."

The last example above is particularly close to the usage you've highlighted.

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Note added at 8 mins (2012-10-27 11:46:18 GMT)
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Oh, too slow!
In any case, maybe the explanation on Wikipedia will help. :)
Note from asker:
Thank you, John, for the abundant footage. And sorry that, because of being copious, it came in second. Maybe it takes also more time to get a five star menu - though I've never tried that out. - R.
Peer comment(s):

agree Simon Mac
6 mins
Thanks, Simon
agree Alison Sparks (X)
1 hr
Thanks, Alison
agree Tony M : Absolutely!
2 hrs
Thanks, Tony M
agree Yvonne Gallagher
5 hrs
Thank you, gallagy2
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