Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

entiers naturels

English translation:

the natural numbers

Added to glossary by DLyons
Mar 20, 2012 15:42
12 yrs ago
French term

entiers naturels

French to English Social Sciences Mathematics & Statistics Medical/Psychological Case History
Contexte:

"Pour comprendre cette bascule Réel-Imaginarue, regardons succinctement la théorie des ensembles.

On a d'abord les **entiers naturels,** privés du zéro (N*): c'est ainsi qu'au début les êtres comptaient leurs moutons.

Un jour, quelqu'un perdit tous ses moutons et se dit: 'mais comment doit-on faire pour dire qu'il n'y a en a plus?' Alors il inventa le zéro."

Merci,

Barbara
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 the Natural Numbers
4 +2 natural integers
Change log

Mar 25, 2012 17:39: DLyons Created KOG entry

Discussion

M.A.B. Mar 21, 2012:
The N* set are just positive integers, i.e. natural numbers without zero.
rkillings Mar 21, 2012:
The traditional (pre-19thC) definition of the natural numbers was the set of positive integers. You can't easily get away with "natural integers" in English, but you could preserve both words by saying, e.g., "the natural numbers, i.e. the positive integers not including zero:". Or, discard "natural" and say "positive whole numbers".

The capitals in Real-Imaginary may be there only because of the hyphen (which ought to be an en-dash) in connection with 'bascule'.
DLyons Mar 20, 2012:
The "natural numbers" (whether capitalized or not) is very much the standard Math terminology [N for 0, 1, 2, ... and N* for 1, 2, ... ]

Since the piece has no difficulty N* and with the more complex Real and Imaginary numbers, I'd be inclined stick to "natural numbers".

P.S. Note that Real and Imaginary are being capitalized.
Barbara Cochran, MFA (asker) Mar 20, 2012:
Positive Numbers? Thanks for your help, everyone.

Since I entered the question, I was able to find some information about the term.

Due to the somewhat informal nature of this piece, do you think "positive numbers" would be more appropriate?

Proposed translations

+4
2 mins
Selected

the Natural Numbers

i.e. 1, 2, 3,...
Peer comment(s):

agree Terry Richards
3 mins
Thanks Terry.
neutral Carl Stoll : No need to capitalise them, since they are neither gods nor people.
3 mins
Thanks Carl. No, not essential but it's fairly common in text books.
agree Kiwiland Bear
3 hrs
Thanks Kiwiland Bear.
agree rkillings : No real need for capitals, though.
16 hrs
Thanks rkillings.
agree M.A.B. : Sure. Here without 0, the N* set http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_numbers#Notation
18 hrs
Thanks M.A.B.
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+2
5 mins

natural integers

Or whole numbers.

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Note added at 59 mins (2012-03-20 16:41:18 GMT)
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http://dictionary.reverso.net/french-english/entier
Peer comment(s):

agree Carl Stoll
1 min
Nor registered trademarks!
agree Leslie D
35 mins
agree B D Finch
1 hr
disagree Kiwiland Bear : Certainly NOT whole numbers which include both zero and negatives! Your main suggested term is normally used when talking of subsets if integers. While it is strictly speaking correct, this isn't the case in the given text.
3 hrs
I think you're being pedantic. It's obvious from the context that we're not talking about zero (it says 'privés du zéro') and negative numbers, which came after zero was 'invented'.
neutral rkillings : Negative numbers were known and used long before zero was recognised as a number -- just not in the West.:) Today zero is a whole number, an integer and a natural number under some definitions. To exclude zero for sure, say "counting numbers".
16 hrs
neutral M.A.B. : All natural numbers are integers. The N* set is well-defined: these are positive integers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_numbers#Notation
18 hrs
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