Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Slovak term or phrase:
fetovať a drogovať
English translation:
to abuse inhalants and (other) drugs
Added to glossary by
Slavomir BELIS
Jun 17, 2011 08:00
12 yrs ago
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Slovak term
fetovať a drogovať
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Rád by som počul názory profesionálov na preklad tohto v tomto kontexte. Vopred ďakujem za pomoc.
Pod svoj tragický koniec sa značnou mierou pričinil aj sám. Neviedol riadny život, kradol, fetoval, drogoval a pil.
Pod svoj tragický koniec sa značnou mierou pričinil aj sám. Neviedol riadny život, kradol, fetoval, drogoval a pil.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 | abused drugs | Mike Birch |
5 +3 | see link | Nathaniel2 |
5 +1 | to get high and to take drugs | Mike Gogulski |
4 +1 | sniff and do drugs | Uncle |
5 | huffing (or sniffing) and take drugs | Maria Chmelarova |
Proposed translations
7 hrs
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abused drugs
This is standard newspaper language, implying systematic usage of a variety of drugs. I don't think we need separate translations of the two verbs.
By the way, I'm almost sorry I asked for the context provided by Hannah. A very sad story.
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on reflection, maybe beter to say:
"was a drugs and narcotics abuser".
This implies both, say, acetone or cannabis, and, say, cocaine or heroine.
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Note added at 10 hrs (2011-06-17 18:25:46 GMT)
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Sorry about the terrible typo: "abusing heroine" is not the right concept.
If you want to cover the whole class acetone/toluene/glue, the term is "inhalant abuse", giving the full phrase:
"abused inhalants and (other) drugs"
By the way, I'm almost sorry I asked for the context provided by Hannah. A very sad story.
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on reflection, maybe beter to say:
"was a drugs and narcotics abuser".
This implies both, say, acetone or cannabis, and, say, cocaine or heroine.
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Note added at 10 hrs (2011-06-17 18:25:46 GMT)
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Sorry about the terrible typo: "abusing heroine" is not the right concept.
If you want to cover the whole class acetone/toluene/glue, the term is "inhalant abuse", giving the full phrase:
"abused inhalants and (other) drugs"
Note from asker:
Yes, the story is very sad. That is why I did not provide it in full at first. I thought that a sentence or two would be enough. I feel guilty now about it. |
2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you very much for your input."
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1 hr
see link
look at the link for your 'official' answer. Then it's time to let it go, Slavo
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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-06-17 10:03:51 GMT)
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Did you look at the link? Your answer is there, actually several thousand correct answers. It's your choice which term you use. According to SAV, the definition of 'fetovat' is: fetovať nedok. ‹n› (~; čo) požívať, vdychovať al. vpichovať si omamné látky; brať, užívať drogy. So basically, any of the answers posted so far are CORRECT translations. It's up to you. My personal translation would be: ...He lived a sordid life, shooting up and doing drugs and drinking. I use shooting up here because if they've also added drogoval, I guess the fet was something more substantial than sniffing glue. But it's all SUBJECTIVE. Everyone has an opinion. Loosen up
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Did you look at the link? Your answer is there, actually several thousand correct answers. It's your choice which term you use. According to SAV, the definition of 'fetovat' is: fetovať nedok. ‹n› (~; čo) požívať, vdychovať al. vpichovať si omamné látky; brať, užívať drogy. So basically, any of the answers posted so far are CORRECT translations. It's up to you. My personal translation would be: ...He lived a sordid life, shooting up and doing drugs and drinking. I use shooting up here because if they've also added drogoval, I guess the fet was something more substantial than sniffing glue. But it's all SUBJECTIVE. Everyone has an opinion. Loosen up
Note from asker:
To let go what? If you can help me correctly translate this, I will be glad. If you can't, ignore it please. |
I believe there can't be "several thousand correct answers". If there are, I do not know which one to use so I would like to know which one is best of them by you. If it is - to shoot up and do drugs - post it properly as a professional answer (supporting it with anything you want below) so that I can consider it, perhaps chose it and thank you for it. "see link" is not a professional translation of "fetovať a drogovať". Otherwise, do not give me any personal stuff like "loosen up". This is not what I have asked for and I am not interested in it. I am sorry to have to say this. |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Gerry Vickers
: this is the beauty of the English language - those are just the US terms - the UK and Australia and other English-speaking countries have similar numbers of their own ...
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thanks, it's hard to see what's he's actually after
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agree |
Igor Liba
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thank you
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agree |
Rad Graban (X)
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thank you
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2 mins
sniff and do drugs
just my opinion
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Sorry for omitting "to" before "sniff".
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Note added at 3 hrs (2011-06-17 11:58:26 GMT)
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@Gerry: He asked for 2 expressions to translate - "fetovať" and "drogovať", hence "to sniff" and "to do drugs" is my answer.
Sorry if I was not clear.
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Sorry for omitting "to" before "sniff".
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@Gerry: He asked for 2 expressions to translate - "fetovať" and "drogovať", hence "to sniff" and "to do drugs" is my answer.
Sorry if I was not clear.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Gerry Vickers
: if anything, 'do' drugs - not sniff (that is what drug dogs do), but as below, there are thousands of different terms one could use!
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4 hrs
to get high and to take drugs
so "[he ...] got high, took drugs and drank."
However, had I not passed on this job, I would leave one one verb entirely in the translation, so just "[he ...] drank and took drugs."
However, had I not passed on this job, I would leave one one verb entirely in the translation, so just "[he ...] drank and took drugs."
16 hrs
huffing (or sniffing) and take drugs
ak uz tak vo vete by malo byt najskor drogovat (hov. )- brat drogy
a potom nieco konkretnejsie ako mate, fetovat - omamovat sa vyparmi chemikali, drog. Tak je to vo vykladovom slovniku.
Ak fetovat je omamovat sa - tak potom je spravne, uz aj vzhladom na pouzivanie pravych vyrazov a nie slang(ov) aj v slovenskom. j. = huffing or sniffing - kde " huffing or sniffing is the deliberate inhalation of fumes, vapors, or gases from common household products in order to get high, according to the National Institute and Drug Abuse."
Ak to je definicia, NIDA, tak zabudnite na slang(y) a ktovie ake dalsie nazory... a pouzite v preklade vyraz profesionala.
Ak povodny clanok pisal profesional tak urobil chybu, lebo drogovat je hov. vyraz a drogovat hovorove znamena aj zobrat viac ako 1-2 tabletky analgonu ..., "droga" na utisenie bolesti. Ak ich niekto zoberie viac ako znesie jeho telo, tak sa "vznasa", alebo je omameny...alebo ....
Ovsem je tu este dalsia moznost... using inhalants, inhalant intoxication... je toho dost ak si prestudujete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intoxication >Inhalant intoxication a v tom pripade je to velmi profesionalne.
a potom nieco konkretnejsie ako mate, fetovat - omamovat sa vyparmi chemikali, drog. Tak je to vo vykladovom slovniku.
Ak fetovat je omamovat sa - tak potom je spravne, uz aj vzhladom na pouzivanie pravych vyrazov a nie slang(ov) aj v slovenskom. j. = huffing or sniffing - kde " huffing or sniffing is the deliberate inhalation of fumes, vapors, or gases from common household products in order to get high, according to the National Institute and Drug Abuse."
Ak to je definicia, NIDA, tak zabudnite na slang(y) a ktovie ake dalsie nazory... a pouzite v preklade vyraz profesionala.
Ak povodny clanok pisal profesional tak urobil chybu, lebo drogovat je hov. vyraz a drogovat hovorove znamena aj zobrat viac ako 1-2 tabletky analgonu ..., "droga" na utisenie bolesti. Ak ich niekto zoberie viac ako znesie jeho telo, tak sa "vznasa", alebo je omameny...alebo ....
Ovsem je tu este dalsia moznost... using inhalants, inhalant intoxication... je toho dost ak si prestudujete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intoxication >Inhalant intoxication a v tom pripade je to velmi profesionalne.
Discussion
As Gerry says, sniffed glue/acetone is good English, but the verb really needs an object, not "sniff" on its own, and would be implicitly preterite. I guess we're back to "sfetovat'".
But, enough! Good luck.
What about "to sniff"? I do not mean "to sniff drugs", just "to sniff" meaning - to inhale a dangerous or addictive substance (eg glue or cocaine)
The Chambers dictionary
Can't it be used in this sense? This is the last question as we need to end this.
This whole episode reminds me of the Monty Python sketch with the dirty spoon :)
to sniff and to take drugs – Uncle, Igor (agreed previously with – to sniff – for – fetovať), Slavomir (I have no problem with this translation. The Chambers dictionary: to sniff – to inhale a dangerous or addictive substance (eg glue or cocaine).) However, I am not a native and the natives involved do not seem to like “to sniff” saying it doesn't work.
to huff (or to sniff) and take drugs – Maria – very similar but I would never use – to huff – as – fetovať – is not a slang word by me
to shoot up and do drugs – Nathaniel2 – I am not sure about – to shoot up – I am not familiar with it, maybe yes, maybe no, I do not know
to get high and to take drugs – Mike G.
to take drugs – Mike G. – neutral but not necessarily accurate
to take drugs – Gerry – neutral but not necessarily accurate
to abuse drugs – Mike B. – as with some of the above – I do not think it covers the whole class
Mike B. on reflection: If you want to cover the whole class acetone/toluene/glue, the term is "inhalant abuse", giving the full phrase:
to abuse inhalants and (other) drugs – If “to sniff” is no good, I strongly believe this is the best choice.
Thank you all for patience.
drogovať – obvious
fetovať – KSSJ – nedok. s chorobnou závislosťou požívať drogy (najmä vdychovaním omamných látok): f. toluén;
požívať drogy – najmä vdychovaním omamných látok – fetovať toluén – this a bit unclear to me as, yes, this is to do with drugs – but on the other hand is toluene or acetone classed as a drug? I do not know… – but most of you seem to believe it is more or less a general term for using drugs so it is probably OK to translate it as – to take drugs/to do drugs – if it is used on its own – besides – to get high
Now – fetovať a drogovať – in – Neviedol riadny život, kradol, fetoval, drogoval a pil.
If the author refers to drugs only, why do they say – fetovať a drogovať? Why don’t they just say – drogovať? It does not make sense at all and tautology is not that common in Slovak. I am absolutely sure they say so because they want to make some kind of a distinction and that is why I do not think it is correct to say – to take drugs – because toluene, for example, is not really classed as a drug if it is true what Gerry says.
WHY DO PEOPLE SNIFF DRUGS?
I saw a guy in the bus station last night sniffing heroin...
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2011042105500...
Did someone force him to do so?
to sniff - for fetovať - as per Uncle?
to sniff - to inhale a dangerous or addictive substance (eg glue or cocaine)
The Chambers dictionary
I do not take anything as gospel, especially when you seem to doubt any UK source be it BBC, the Daily Mail or anything else.
In your opinion there is no difference in meaning between the words drogovat and fetovat, OK, I think there is or there can be. If someone says - fetoval a drogoval - they most certainly mean - fetoval (acetón, toulén, glue...) and you say these are not classed as drugs. If they do not mean these, they would not say - fetoval a drogoval - they would say - drogoval.
A different approach might be to consider the context of the text.
When is it taking place? Fashions and vocabulary in drug abuse change rapidly.
What age are the protagonists? eg. teenagers may "sniff glue", older (or richer) users may "snort coke".
Where is it taking place? 80s Bratislava, contemporary London... ?
What tone are you looking for? slang, formal... ?
Let's look for the best choice, not many choices.
fetovat-, fetak-, fetovat aceton-, sfetovat sa acetonom-, fetovat a drogovat-. Postupne 1-5. Mozno aj jednodocha veta ako priklad by pomohla.
Skuste to, najskor bez prekladu do akehokolvej jazyka. Definicia v slovcine, nie vasa definicia, nie nasa definicia, alebo dohad kohokolvek z nas. Vykladovy slovnik vas/nas nepusti. Potom pride druhy stupen riesenia, preklad do a.j., ak sa daju vyrazy prelozit priamo.
Len na okraj, este podnes som nenasla vasu odpoved na moju otazku aky je rozdiel medzi fetovat a sfetovat sa acetonom.
Osobne, ak naozaj chcete pochopit rozdiel, co je vas ciel, ak tomu dobre rozumiem, tak zacnite odpovedat na to co sa vas pytaju a neskacte z jedneho do druheho.
Este by som rada pripomenula, ze toto ako aj ine fora su dostupne nielen nam. M.
The girls were given cigarettes and sometimes had to sniff drugs during their ordeals.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-11864740
It is just one example of many. And I do not know what is correct but that is why I am trying to find out.
The context is very clear, you say there are many options, ok, but which option would you use in this case, if you do not mind.