Mar 10, 2011 15:14
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Dutch term
Türkiye
gooien hoge ogen
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Overal ter wereld vind je Nederlandse designers, ontwerpers en architecten. Industrieel ontwerpers gooien hoge ogen, architecten zijn internationaal befaamd.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +4 | are extremely successful |
Dave Greatrix
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| 4 | hold all the aces |
Colin Rowe
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| 3 +1 | stand excellent chances |
Barend van Zadelhoff
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Proposed translations
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36 mins
Dave Greatrix
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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United Kingdom
Dutch to English Technical Translator
Native in: English
Works in: Dutch to English, Flemish to English
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are extremely successful
Personally, I don't believe that all sayings used in the Dutch language need to be translated literally. In fact, every day Dutch speech is largely made up of sayings and proverbs, probably more so than in English.
This does refer to dice, but not so much the luck aspect, but more the degree of skill or success of the dice thrower IMHO.
This does refer to dice, but not so much the luck aspect, but more the degree of skill or success of the dice thrower IMHO.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thank you"
11 mins
Colin Rowe
Germany
Germany
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Germany
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Works in: German to English, French to English, Italian to English, and 3 more.
hold all the aces
The original Dutch seems to come from the idea of throwing dice in games of chance (see references) and means to be very lucky. My suggestion retains the idea of gambling, whilst using a more common English image (of card playing).
References:
Hoge ogen gooien.
Geluk hebben. De ogen zijn de stippen op dobbelstenen. Dubbel zes wint altijd!
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_uitdrukkingen_en_geze...
hoge ogen gooien = veel kans hebben.
komt waarschijlijk van het dobbelspel.
http://help.berberber.com/forum21/87565-hoge-ogen-gooien.htm...
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They hold all the aces - and are thus highly successful.
References:
Hoge ogen gooien.
Geluk hebben. De ogen zijn de stippen op dobbelstenen. Dubbel zes wint altijd!
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_uitdrukkingen_en_geze...
hoge ogen gooien = veel kans hebben.
komt waarschijlijk van het dobbelspel.
http://help.berberber.com/forum21/87565-hoge-ogen-gooien.htm...
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They hold all the aces - and are thus highly successful.
+1
29 mins
Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Netherlands
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Netherlands
TR is the most intimate act of reading.
Native in: Dutch 
Works in: English to Dutch, Dutch to English, Dutch
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12
stand excellent chances
I would opt for this
can be found in van Dale
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Note added at 1 hr (2011-03-10 17:06:20 GMT)
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What when you look at it from a competition point of view ?
From the point of view of being successful in securing jobs in a field of competition ?
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Note added at 22 hrs (2011-03-11 14:10:55 GMT)
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Industrial designers stand excellent chances internationally, architects have an international reputation.
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Note added at 1 day20 mins (2011-03-11 15:34:27 GMT)
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Thank you, Dave.
What I want to point out is that there is a significant difference between
- are extremely successful [internationally] and
- stand excellent chances [internationally]
'hoge ogen gooien' means ' 'veel kans hebben'
what is meant here is that industrial designers stand excellent chances of securing prestigious jobs at an international level
but there is always a possibility of missing out on jobs and that someone from another country will be the lucky winner
'hoge ogen gooien' is always used in a context of a chance of securing something and there is always someone else who may carry off the prize as well
the designers are extremely successful BECAUSE they stand excellent chances
but the text says that they stand excellent changes
they can lose as well and this aspect has got lost in your suggestion
can be found in van Dale
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Note added at 1 hr (2011-03-10 17:06:20 GMT)
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What when you look at it from a competition point of view ?
From the point of view of being successful in securing jobs in a field of competition ?
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Note added at 22 hrs (2011-03-11 14:10:55 GMT)
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Industrial designers stand excellent chances internationally, architects have an international reputation.
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Note added at 1 day20 mins (2011-03-11 15:34:27 GMT)
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Thank you, Dave.
What I want to point out is that there is a significant difference between
- are extremely successful [internationally] and
- stand excellent chances [internationally]
'hoge ogen gooien' means ' 'veel kans hebben'
what is meant here is that industrial designers stand excellent chances of securing prestigious jobs at an international level
but there is always a possibility of missing out on jobs and that someone from another country will be the lucky winner
'hoge ogen gooien' is always used in a context of a chance of securing something and there is always someone else who may carry off the prize as well
the designers are extremely successful BECAUSE they stand excellent chances
but the text says that they stand excellent changes
they can lose as well and this aspect has got lost in your suggestion
Peer comment(s):
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Verginia Ophof
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Thank you, Verginia.
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Dave Greatrix
: You can say "stand an excellent chance" but "an excellent chance" of what?. I take your point Barend, but you didn't say "chances internationally" "Chances" of what? This would need to be qualified and then it all starts to get a bit long winded IMO.
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Hi Dave. What about 'stand excellent chances internationally'? The rest can easily be understood from the context. Your phrase needs to be understood from the context as well. Imo the meaning of the idiom is lost in your suggestion. I can't accept this.
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