Cristina Heraud-van Tol (asker) Jan 19, 2011:

Hello, Charles

I believe you gave me the best link, with a great picutre and details. All the instruments look so nice, that it almost encourages me to buy one, ha, ha. , And you are right, I have included "primera" in the glossary cause it sounds more natural. Thanks to everyone!

Charles Davis Jan 15, 2011:

Translation? Hi Cristina, María, Robert and everyone.
Coming from the UK, where everyone used to play the recorder in school, I didn't find this term so mysterious ( I didn't join in the discussion before, because it's been going on during the night for me!). I haven't suggested an answer because I can't find a term for it in Spanish. A common model of pre-recorder is the Suzuki Precorder (see http://www.suzukimusic.com/education/precorder/) , but it just doesn't seem to be marketed in Spain or Spanish America, though it is in Brazil. Hohner's Flutophone is very occasionally mentioned in Spanish-language sources, though I don't think it's quite the same thing. I don't believe they're used in Spanish schools; my kids started straight in with a normal flauta dulce (soprano recorder), and if you search for "flauta infantil" that's what you find, not this. So what do you put in your translation? Maybe just "flauta dulce", and leave it at that? Or perhaps "flauta dulce de iniciación" o "nuestra primera flauta"?
I mean, with the greatest respect for Robert's accurate answer, you're not going to put "Empezamos a tocar la flauta dulce con los agujeros levantados"!

Maria Arzayus Jan 15, 2011:

Dear colleagues

Interesting discussion. Who was to know this was what a 'pre-recorder' meant?

Just found this information in Wikipedia, so one of you could use it to propose the right translation. It turns out that a 'recorder' as a musical instrument is a 'flauta dulce':


Flauta dulce
De Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre


Detalle de la pintura Drei Wandermusikanten (Museo del Prado) del artista alemán Jacob Jordaens en la que se aprecia a uno de los personajes tocando una flauta.La flauta dulce o flauta de pico es un instrumento de viento muy antiguo.

Saludos!

TranslateThis Jan 14, 2011:

Points should go to Robert Cristina, I was totally off at first. But Robert put us on the right track. Saludos,

Cristina Heraud-van Tol (asker) Jan 14, 2011:

We all learn. Thanks, everybody! :)

Lydia De Jorge Jan 14, 2011:

Cristina, Yep, I have been corrected and appreciate the lesson! Saludos!

Cristina Heraud-van Tol (asker) Jan 14, 2011:

Lydia, haz clic en el vínculo de TranslateThis. se trata de un instrumento musical; es una flauta dulce con los agujeros levantados.

Cristina Heraud-van Tol (asker) Jan 14, 2011:

Robert, thank you for clarifying. TranslateThis, your link is great! I was lost and now I know absolutely what are they talking about. I would like to offer you the points, but it's impossible to do so here.

Lydia De Jorge Jan 14, 2011:

I stand corrected! The concept still seems absurd as it implies pre-recording as opposed to practicing on how to handle a recorder.

TranslateThis Jan 14, 2011:

Robert is right Pre-recorders will be handed out in mid-october. These are "training" instruments that have raised finger holes so the child can really feel where they are.
http://www.soundwavesschoolofmusic.com/ourweekinmusic910/46s...

Robert Copeland Jan 14, 2011:

elementary students learn to play the recorders, and instruments such as kazoos are played (which are easier for the children to learn how to play) as an introduction, before they learn the notes on the actual recorders

Robert Copeland Jan 14, 2011:

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Lydia De Jorge Jan 14, 2011:

absurd... what then, does a pre-recorder record?

nahuelhuapi Jan 14, 2011:

Creo que hay un typo y que se trata de tocar temas pre-grabados