Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

two-form-entry school

Albanian translation:

shkollë me dy klasa paralele

Added to glossary by Αlban SHPΑTΑ
Feb 10, 2010 04:42
14 yrs ago
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English term

two-form-entry school

English to Albanian Social Sciences Education / Pedagogy
XX School is a two-form-entry school.
Proposed translations (Albanian)
4 +2 me dy klasa paralele
Change log

Feb 12, 2010 08:58: Fabiana Papastefani-Pezzoni Created KOG entry

Feb 12, 2010 14:12: Αlban SHPΑTΑ changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/10551">Fabiana Papastefani-Pezzoni's</a> old entry - "two-form-entry school"" to ""me dy klasa paralele""

Discussion

Ledja Feb 12, 2010:
(....continued) I agreed with Fabiana's translation, because, quite naturally, these are the lines that I hear in my head: I and x person were not in the same class, but in the same year group. Translation: S'e kam patur filanin në klasë, por kemi qenë paralel.
In regards to the SEN inclusion policies, I see that Fabiana has a different experience in her country and that's why I explained how it is in mine.
Sixth-form has nothing to do with form-entries whatsoever. It's a higher level of studies with self-chosen subjects, sort of pre-university. To be honest, I haven't a clue where the naming originates from :), but this is also a very common set-up in the very common secondary schools.
Forest Park Primary School is also a normal school, but it has gained publicity due to embracing "green" issues and arranging the outside area of the school to be a natural environment - this is the only special thing about it. (My school is still better though :D)))
Ledja Feb 12, 2010:
As traditional as it gets Hi Klemi,
I as have said in my earlier entry, I would not assume what the school set-up is in America, but regarding Britain, I've quite a lot to share from having been specially trained by the Education Department, having done supply work and bilingual support work in over 20 schools in and outside London for nearly 10 years and having translated numerous school brochures for 6 years and counting. This statement:
"this kind of schools have different criteria comparing with traditional schools"
couldn't be further from the truth. ALL traditional primary schools in this country are labelled as one ore two form entry, with the exception of a few that go beyond that number. Try putting this as a monolingual English question and, if you don't receive the exact explanations as mine, I will drop dead on the spot :). We don't usually hear secondary school being called as x-form entry, because they vary quite a lot in the number of classes per year group.
Αlban SHPΑTΑ (asker) Feb 12, 2010:
Faleminderit për pjesëmarrjen dhe ndihmën Vendosa të pranoj propozimin e Fabianës dhe Ledjas, sidomos pasi gjeta më pas këtë në internet, ku tregohet qartë çfarë është një two form entry school:
"The school was originally built as a two-form entry school, i.e. two classes
per year group. Therefore it has existing capacity and expansion would
present no significant challenges".
http://www.hounslow.gov.uk/school_places_jan09.pdf
Klementina Shahini Feb 12, 2010:
Hi Ledja,

To my opinion the concept of two form entry school is the same in both countries USA &GB, the organization of them though is a little bit different here in the states comparing with GB. As you have mentioned in your discussion and based on the link you provided this kind of schools have different criteria comparing with traditional schools. "Me dy klasa paralele" concept is so closely attached to the traditional school. This is where my disagreement comes from. It doesn’t come from the disability of understanding what a two form entry schools are. Probably my suggestion is not the right one but either the one presented from the other answerer. Definitely, I think that we need to come up with another translation. This is just my opinion. Opinions are not facts but yet they need to be respected.

There are reasons why I did not put an answer.


Best Regards,

Klemi
Ledja Feb 11, 2010:
And here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Park_Primary_School

"The school is a two form entry school comprising of a Foundation Stage, Key Stage 1 and Key Stage 2."
"School Council - made up of one child from each class from year 2 -year 6."

The sentences are just to illustrate examples of year groups within this two form entry school. Foundation Stage includes Nursery and Reception (Pre-school). Key Stage 1: Years 1 and 2. Key stage 2: Years 3 - 6. This is the set-up in all schools across GB, but not all of them include nursery classes.

Alban, if you still have doubts :), I can shoot a 60-page PDF brochure your way from Westminster City Council that has details of all the schools in the catchment area. Don't make me! :D
Ledja Feb 11, 2010:
Hi Klemi. I can't tell from own experience what schools in America are like, but can tell you that right now I am sitting at a computer in Essendine Primary School, which is a two-form entry school. It has 2 nursery classes, 2 reception classes, 2 Year 1 classes, 2 Year 2 classes and so on to 2 Year 6 classes (This is what we call them in GB, not grades). Clearly, there are 8 year groups in my school, 16 separate classes altogether. The two-form entry refers to the fact that there are 2 classes per year group. Down the road, there's St Saviour's Primary School, which is a one-form entry school. It has years Reception - Year 6, only one class per year group. My son's secondary school is a multi-form entry, I don't have number of classes per year group. Something different from all of this: Sixth-form, in England, refers to Years 12 and 13, which are not compulsory. They are also referred as A-levels when taken in college and not in secondary school.
I hope I have set all of this out clearly. Sorry I don't have time to provide links, but can do so when I return home.
Schools with one, two and some even six form-entry Hello Klemi, sorry to say that you are wrong!! Forms are not grades!! There are schools with very few grades, I know, such as elementary ones, or the schools that enroll for 7-8 grades only, or others for 11th and 12th grades only, I know that. These last ones, especially the 7-8thegrades schools, 11th and 12th grades schools, are generally schools for teenagers who have dropped school for different reasons and they have still one or two grades to go to finish the 12 grades system, for example.

The way it is used at the schools where I teach it refers to the different entries of the same grade.
Klementina Shahini Feb 11, 2010:
Shkolla me dy/tre/gjashtë nivele Two- form-entry school refers to the levels, grades and not the number of classes per level .Age is another criteria for this kind of schools.. Currently, the middle school in my area has two- form - entry, seven and eight grade. Students can not attend or stay in these schools when they reach certain age. Both the age and the form - entry vary in different states. There are three-form-entry schools and in Britain there are also six-form-entry school (in college level). In this kind of school students have to pass exams to move from one entry to the other and also they have to take specific subject in each entry.
Αlban SHPΑTΑ (asker) Feb 10, 2010:
Faleminderit Shumë faleminderit Fabiana dhe Ledja! Më keni ndihmuar shumë.
Ledja Feb 10, 2010:
What was I thinking? Referral Units - pupil referral units (PRUs) - jo Base Units. (Zëre se s'thashë gjë; s'ka lidhe me pyetjen gjithesi :D).
Ledja Feb 10, 2010:
Ca sqarime të tjera... Shkollat fillore me nga dy klasa paralele në Britaninë e Madhe janë më të rralla dhe zakonisht gjenden në zona me popullim të dendur. Zyrtarisht, prania e dy klasave paralele është thjesht një ndarje numrash (maksimumi 30 për klasë, sipas ligjit aktual) dhe jo nivelesh. Grupimet e niveleve pastaj integrohen në planin mësimor dhe mund të punësohen STs (Specialist Teachers) për të punuar me grupe më të vogla sipas nevojës, apo LSAs (learning support assistant) për fëmijë me nevoja të posaçme (SEN). Po zbatohet dhe një sistem i ri i futjes së klasave Base Unit për këta nxënës në disa shkolla, por këto nuk konsiderohen si shtesë në numrin e klasave paralele - thjesht grupime për një pjesë të orarit shkollor.

Proposed translations

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me dy klasa paralele

Albani, I am almost positive that we are speaking about schools who allow two (there are schools that allow more) parallel classes of the same grade. Now in Albania this is the most common thing in the world, but in schools in UK and US (private ones here or of small communities, catchment schools, etc) this is done not only to address the number of children, but some times it is done as a manoeuvre in order to become an "integrating" school, meaning allowing for SEN children (Special Education Needs) or gifted and talented children to be supported across a larger year-group.

There are many reasons behind such decision for such schools in these countries. As I said, in Albanian this is very common and only very small villages schools are one-entry schools, but in other countries this is seen also as an attempt to integrate in the society SEN children, as they: a) may not have a chance to go to a Special school which is not hundreds of miles away from home; and b) integration in the society starts from the school. These schools with some more efforts (employing SEN or two-entry teachers) can accomodate such needs of the community and create an integration climate in it.

Viewed from the point of view of a teacher, the two or three entry schools, even when you do not have so much children as to have two full parallel classes, is done so when you have far too different levels in the same grade, so a) you make smaller classes to be able to work more closely with each of them; b) mix the children of the two classes as per their levels when doing math or language to address their needs at a better level. This is what we do at the school where I teach.

Hope it helps.
Peer comment(s):

agree Ledja : Shumë e vërtetë, Fabiana. (Ç'më ke hyrë në hise me këtë pyetje!:) ) Në Angli, shumica e shkollave fillore kanë vetëm një klasë për grupmoshë. Shkolla ku punoj unë ka nga dy - dhe numri ka qenë i tillë historikisht.//Thumbs-up të merituar për përgjigjen :)
7 hrs
Prita unë i shkreti, pastaj po më hanin duart dhe shkorva përgjigjen. Unë mezi po prisja të hyje që të dëgjoja mendimin tënd meqënëse në këto gjëra ty të kemi yllin e fushës.
disagree Klementina Shahini : My explanation is posted on post discussion entry.
19 hrs
You are again wrong, Klemi!! You are saying forms are grades?? Really?? My God!!
agree Eva T : Pa dyshim që ky është përkthimi i saktë!
27 days
Falemnderit, Eva :)
agree Monika Coulson
31 days
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