Jan 1, 2010 22:24
14 yrs ago
русский term

приоритет

русский => английский Общественные науки Государство / Политика propaganda
In the following paragraph is it stretching things to translate приоритет as "credit"? Has anyone translated it that way?

Нужно показать, что реакционные эксплуататорские классы, господствовавшие в России, не заботились о росте науки и культуры, тормозили ее развитие в нашей стране. В результате этого плоды русских ученых присваивали иностранцы, приоритет многих великих научных открытий, сделанных русскими учеными, переходил к иностранцам (Ломоносов — Лавуазье, Ползунов — Уатт, Попов — Маркони и др.).

Discussion

Alexandra Taggart Jan 2, 2010:
Unfortuna, Eric, your words are not a post mortum of our dear Academy.Were these discoveries sold and some one awarded -that is the matter of the record and the reference, you are right here.May be they weren't sold but exchanged? The "priority" in the given text-is the priority to be appreciated and to be credited scientifically, that is not so simple or quick when it comes to get the author's rights.That which the author calls "приоритет"-is a successful pass through the process of scientific grading.
Eric Candle Jan 2, 2010:
priority of invention "The court also stated that
it is well established that as between two inventors priority of invention will be awarded to the one who by satisfying proof can show that he first conceived of the invention",
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Marconi

Proposed translations

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25 мин
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(skip the noun) + "discoveries were attributed to"

Since it's talking about discoveries (or, as Anton says, inventions), that already incorporates the concept of "first" or "credit for being the first", so you might be able to do it like this:

... many great scientific discoveries, made by Russian scientists, were attributed to foreigners instead ...

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P.S. Of course, "priority of discovery" is a term. I assumed Gary knew that, but was looking for a way to accommodate "many great scientific" without the result being horribly clunky. Since it's the case that even Webster's meaning #1 for "discovery" is "an act ... of gaining knowledge of or ascertaining the existence of something PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN ...", I do believe that in many contexts one could indeed omit "priority" as being redundant. Of course there are other contexts, including legal and some academic ones, where readers might get antsy about the failure to write "priority of discovery" (because of the phenomenon of "independent discovery", etc.). In that case, you'd have to do some acrobatics to make it sound good, maybe even repeat "discovery": "... in many cases of great scientific discoveries made by Russian scientists, priority of discovery was attributed to ..."
Peer comment(s):

agree Angleterre (X) : I like this one! =)
34 мин
Thanks, Anna.
agree Sabine Akabayov, PhD
3 час
Thank you.
agree Marina Aleyeva : Sorry I failed to read the sentence carefully the first time. I think that the asker's own suggestion is also ok.
3 час
Thanks, Marina.
agree Igor Blinov
15 час
Thanks, Igor.
agree svetlana cosquéric
2 дн 11 час
Thanks, Svetlana.
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "You convinced me, Rachel, and I needed a little convincing ;-)"
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15 мин

patent rights

"Credit" may be the right word for the general public, but in a stricter sense, it's the official invention priority - that is, an award of the respective patent to this or that person - that the author is probably talking about.

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(judging by the names quoted, the author writes "scientific discoveries" but really means inventions)
Peer comment(s):

disagree Oleksandr Kupriyanchuk : "Patent RIGHTS"? Hmm... When did the patent system come about? For instance, in the US, first patents were issued in the 1790s, several decades after Lomonosov etc. ...
23 мин
Hmm... you are right.
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49 мин

priorities of many great discoveries made by Russian scientists were (later)attributed to foreigners



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Note added at 57 mins (2010-01-01 23:22:37 GMT)
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"The priority of a scientific discovery" is such a basic, fundamental (and very exact!) term that we can't just "skip the noun."

No chance, I'm afraid...


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IMHO, (Asker's) "credit" does not "qualify" here.

We can "CREDIT a/the discovery TO someone" in contexts like the following (with a high degree of doubt or uncertainty, which is not the case in your context, because these priorities can hardly be challenged these days):

1) Most textbooks now **credit** the discovery to Cavendish (1731–1810), who perfected the techniques of taking gas samples above water.
pubs.acs.org/cen/books/83/8312books.html

2) It is claimed that under these circumstances people tend more often to **credit** the discovery to the well-known scientist.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferential_attachment

3) Some theories **credit** the discovery of the device to make sorbets and ice cream to the Chinese. They used snow and saltpeter to cool syrups...
www.buzzle.com/articles/who-invented-ice-cream.html

Etc.
Peer comment(s):

agree Judith Hehir : priority...later given to... (I think it should remain singular, but not sure + verb combo should be priority given). Sorry about that. You're right, Alexander.
2 час
Thank you.IMHO,"priority" can be in singular or plural. "Disputes regarding priorities of discoveries"(rsnr.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/61/3/247.full); "Priorities in scientific discovery..." by Merton. American Sociological Review 22 (6): 635–659.
agree Radwan Rahman
11 час
Thank you.
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inventorship was arrogated by/attributed to

The idea is exposed without too much modern terminology.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Oleksandr Kupriyanchuk : There is inventorship of a patent (even joint invent.), but can we talk about the INVENTORSHIP OF the law of mass/matter conservation or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law (above)? I doubt it. It's all about the sci. priorities, NOT intellectual property rights!
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the highest level of credibility

the highest level of credibility - is the priority, "приоритет" as a borrowing has a shorter list of meanings in Russian vocabulary.Fully translated according to this particular context, it would be:"the level of importance in which the priority is given to the significance of that discovery". For which these discoveries are credited -the real author's name has never come to light in science. So, Russian National pride was robbed by the ruling class.

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http://www.google.ru/search?hl=ru&newwindow=1&q=define:Scien...

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" приоритет многих великих научных открытий, сделанных русскими учеными, переходил к иностранцам" - Numerous examples of break throughs in science made by people with Russian names were not credited scientifically abroad, but were spirited away by foreighners.
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