Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
Informations brutes
English translation:
raw information
Added to glossary by
Irene McClure
Sep 10, 2009 12:06
14 yrs ago
French term
Informations brutes
French to English
Medical
Medical (general)
I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me with the translation of this phrase?
The sentence is:
La maladie d'Alzheimer touche les zones de cerveau intervenant dans la mémoire et dans la reconnaissance des informations brutes telles que les sons ou les images.
It appears within a patient information leaflet, so I am hoping to translate it with a term that is not overly-technical in order to keep the register relatively low.
Thank you in advance
The sentence is:
La maladie d'Alzheimer touche les zones de cerveau intervenant dans la mémoire et dans la reconnaissance des informations brutes telles que les sons ou les images.
It appears within a patient information leaflet, so I am hoping to translate it with a term that is not overly-technical in order to keep the register relatively low.
Thank you in advance
Proposed translations
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| 3 +3 | raw information |
Irene McClure
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| 4 +4 | unprocessed input |
Michael Lotz
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| 3 +4 | raw data |
Jean-Claude Gouin
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| 4 | crude information |
Lionel_M (X)
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| 3 | basic information |
Alexandra Speirs
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| 3 -2 | reflex/reflexes |
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Change log
Sep 11, 2009 21:58: Irene McClure Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Irene McClure
Native in English
Political scientist, former UK Govt
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, English
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raw information
Variation on a theme here...
"The vestibular system gets its raw information from the vestibular organs, which consist of three semicircular canals and the otolith organ." from http://www.learningbreakthrough.com/brain-processes-targeted
"The first stage of visual processing occurs in the retina, the function of which is to process the raw information obtained from the outside world" from http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15104252
"Scientists have long conceptualized the part of the brain known as the primary somatosensory cortex (S1) as where it first registers touch sensations. Prick your finger and S1 springs into action, sending raw information about the injury’s location to higher brain areas for further interpretation, according to most neuroscience textbooks" from http://www.apa.org/monitor/jan07/pain.html
"The vestibular system gets its raw information from the vestibular organs, which consist of three semicircular canals and the otolith organ." from http://www.learningbreakthrough.com/brain-processes-targeted
"The first stage of visual processing occurs in the retina, the function of which is to process the raw information obtained from the outside world" from http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15104252
"Scientists have long conceptualized the part of the brain known as the primary somatosensory cortex (S1) as where it first registers touch sensations. Prick your finger and S1 springs into action, sending raw information about the injury’s location to higher brain areas for further interpretation, according to most neuroscience textbooks" from http://www.apa.org/monitor/jan07/pain.html
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Comment: "Thank you!"
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Michael Lotz
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
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unprocessed input
another alternative that might fit the register intended.
Another alternative is "raw data", which is certainly correct also. The best choice depends on stylistic preferences for intended audience.
Another alternative is "raw data", which is certainly correct also. The best choice depends on stylistic preferences for intended audience.
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liz askew
: In defence of the English language:-) or....information/data. After all the brain is a computer of sorts.
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thanks Liz
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Anne-Marie Grant (X)
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thank you Anne-Marie
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Drmanu49
: Wise comments Michael. Thanks and the same to you. :-)
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thanks Manu, bonne soirée !
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Angela Dickson (X)
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thanks Angela
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reflex/reflexes
I believe it may be something to do with reflexes but can't find a way of putting it into a sentence, hope it helps a little...
Most reflexes don't have to travel up to your brain to be processed, which is why they take place so quickly. A reflex action often involves a very simple ... for example - images and sound.
BRUTE can be interpreted as quick/simple as opposed to hard etc it depends on the context of the sentence i believe
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La maladie d'Alzheimer touche les zones de cerveau intervenant dans la mémoire et dans la reconnaissance des informations brutes telles que les sons ou les images.
Alzheimers touches parts of the brain concerning memory and (simple) reflexes such as sight and sound.
Most reflexes don't have to travel up to your brain to be processed, which is why they take place so quickly. A reflex action often involves a very simple ... for example - images and sound.
BRUTE can be interpreted as quick/simple as opposed to hard etc it depends on the context of the sentence i believe
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La maladie d'Alzheimer touche les zones de cerveau intervenant dans la mémoire et dans la reconnaissance des informations brutes telles que les sons ou les images.
Alzheimers touches parts of the brain concerning memory and (simple) reflexes such as sight and sound.
Example sentence:
...in using simple reflexes...
Peer comment(s):
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Lionel_M (X)
: I don't think that Alzheimer brains have "reflex problems"
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Lianne Wilson
: Reflexes is incorrect here: sights and sounds are not related to reflex actions in this way.
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Alexandra Speirs
Native in English
Over 30 years in the business
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Italian to English, French to English
basic information
or elementary information
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crude information
Cognitive Function Article, Neuroscience Information, Mapping ... - [ Traduire cette page ]... provide hope for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, ... A second, even faster pathway sends crude information from the senses ...
science.nationalgeographic.com/.../mind-brain.html - En cache - Pages similaires
[PDF] nervation of the target muscle through neuronal cell death, axon ... - [ Traduire cette page ]Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Version HTML
sible in part by grants from the Alzheimer's Associa- tion to L.F.M.S. and K.R.D., seed funds to HP. and ... giving only crude information about spatial ...
www.princeton.edu/.../coding of vis space 1994.pdf - Pages similaires
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[PDF] Graziano (1994) Coding of visual space by premotor neurons - [ Traduire cette page ]Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Version HTML
giving only crude information about spatial .... sible in part by grants from the Alzheimer's Associa- tion to lfms and krd, seed funds to hp and ...
wexler.free.fr/.../graziano%20(1994)%20coding%20of%20visual%20space... - Pages similaires
de MS Graziano - 1994 - Cité 321 fois - Autres articles
Reviews in Clinical Gerontology - Fulltext: Volume 16(1) December ... - [ Traduire cette page ]Such disrupted circadian rhythm may occur early in Alzheimer's disease, .... Observer methods will only generate crude information about apparent sleep, ...
pt.wkhealth.com/.../fulltext.00022721-200612000-00005.htm - Pages similaires
de E Eeles - 2007 - Autres articles
Speech - Research conducted at University of Toulouse has provided ... - [ Traduire cette page ]... the latter being constantly recruited to complement the crude information provided by the ... New Alzheimer disease research from Boston University, ...
www.newsrx.com/.../1004302009266MIB.html - En cache - Pages similaires
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Our cortex is constantly bombarded with information from our eyes, ears, and other sensory organs. One route for this pipeline sends a torrent of detailed, refined information from high-level cortical regions to the amygdala, which turbocharges the processing of fearful or other emotional stimuli at the expense of less urgent information. If you're driving and listening to the news on the radio when the driver in front of you taps the brakes, your attention will quickly drop off the news report and signal your foot to move to the brake pedal. A second, even faster pathway sends
crude information
from the senses through subcortical regions directly to the amygdala, bypassing the cortex altogether. If the car in front makes a full-fledged panic stop, this more primitive pathway signals you to slam on the brakes—even before the information reaches the cortical regions that make you conscious of your actions. The milliseconds' head start on your reaction may be enough to mean the difference between life and death.
From: Beyond the Brain
Republished from the pages of National Geographic magazine
Written by James Shreeve
March 2005
science.nationalgeographic.com/.../mind-brain.html - En cache - Pages similaires
[PDF] nervation of the target muscle through neuronal cell death, axon ... - [ Traduire cette page ]Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Version HTML
sible in part by grants from the Alzheimer's Associa- tion to L.F.M.S. and K.R.D., seed funds to HP. and ... giving only crude information about spatial ...
www.princeton.edu/.../coding of vis space 1994.pdf - Pages similaires
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[PDF] Graziano (1994) Coding of visual space by premotor neurons - [ Traduire cette page ]Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Version HTML
giving only crude information about spatial .... sible in part by grants from the Alzheimer's Associa- tion to lfms and krd, seed funds to hp and ...
wexler.free.fr/.../graziano%20(1994)%20coding%20of%20visual%20space... - Pages similaires
de MS Graziano - 1994 - Cité 321 fois - Autres articles
Reviews in Clinical Gerontology - Fulltext: Volume 16(1) December ... - [ Traduire cette page ]Such disrupted circadian rhythm may occur early in Alzheimer's disease, .... Observer methods will only generate crude information about apparent sleep, ...
pt.wkhealth.com/.../fulltext.00022721-200612000-00005.htm - Pages similaires
de E Eeles - 2007 - Autres articles
Speech - Research conducted at University of Toulouse has provided ... - [ Traduire cette page ]... the latter being constantly recruited to complement the crude information provided by the ... New Alzheimer disease research from Boston University, ...
www.newsrx.com/.../1004302009266MIB.html - En cache - Pages similaires
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Our cortex is constantly bombarded with information from our eyes, ears, and other sensory organs. One route for this pipeline sends a torrent of detailed, refined information from high-level cortical regions to the amygdala, which turbocharges the processing of fearful or other emotional stimuli at the expense of less urgent information. If you're driving and listening to the news on the radio when the driver in front of you taps the brakes, your attention will quickly drop off the news report and signal your foot to move to the brake pedal. A second, even faster pathway sends
crude information
from the senses through subcortical regions directly to the amygdala, bypassing the cortex altogether. If the car in front makes a full-fledged panic stop, this more primitive pathway signals you to slam on the brakes—even before the information reaches the cortical regions that make you conscious of your actions. The milliseconds' head start on your reaction may be enough to mean the difference between life and death.
From: Beyond the Brain
Republished from the pages of National Geographic magazine
Written by James Shreeve
March 2005
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Jean-Claude Gouin
Canada
Canada
Native in French
Canada
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Native in: French 
Works in: French to English, English to French, French, and 1 more.
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raw data
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Definitions of "raw data" ...
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:raw data&...
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Definitions of "raw data" ...
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:raw data&...
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liz askew
: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=R-JmDc_p4psC&pg=PA112&lpg...
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Merci Liz ...
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Lionel_M (X)
: this expression is used for experimental data, not for "information". These are "valeurs brutes"// Oui je comprends, mais ça c'est que fait un PC; le cerveau ne calucl pas l'écart type ! EN tous cas pas le mien malheureusement.
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Not necessarily, Lionel. For example, one gets 1000 two-digit numbers, that's the raw data. Après qu'on a troué la moyenne, la médiane, le mode, l'écart-type, etc. ces données brutes font plus de sens ...
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Lianne Wilson
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Merci Lianne ...
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MatthewLaSon
: Yes.
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Merci Matthew ...
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Drmanu49
: Yes also.
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Merci Drmanu49, merci docteur, merci Emmanuel ...
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Angela Dickson (X)
: Nothing wrong with using "data" metaphorically in this case. The English language is a wonderfully flexible beast.
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Reference comments
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Reference:
FWIW, I like raw data, though I have found raw in inverted commas.
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:MlYDbVBpYGMJ:scienceblo...
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Thereafter, the visual information is processed in a hierarchical manner through higher order visual cortical areas (V3, V4 and so on). Thus the "raw" data relating to the simple image components is combined; more features are added at each successive processing step, and the same information is encoded at increasingly larger scales. Thus, the initially crude representations of an image become more refined with each point in the hierarchy, until eventually an accurate reconstruction of the visual scene emerges into consciousness
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http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:C5svoRbeJQsJ:www.teach1...
Know Your Mind
We now know that something important is always going on inside our brain and, as Understanding the Brain illustrates, if you know what to look for, you can observe specific aspects of your own brain in action:
* Vision: The "now you see it, now you don't" feeling you get when you see an illusion is your brain trying to interpret raw data from the eyes. Far from taking a picture of the world and sending it to the brain, the eyes actually transmit very little information; "seeing" is a creation of the brain.
* Thought: Sometimes, you can have trouble thinking after taking an antihistamine. This is because antihistamines do not just combat the effects of an allergy, they also block histamine as a neurotransmitter in the brain, altering your ability to think and process information.
* Motor skills: When you learn how to walk, ride a bicycle, knit, dance, or perform some other motor skill, you reach a point where all of a sudden you are able to coordinate the new movement. That is because specialized neurons in your brain's cerebellum are now firing in sequence.
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Therefore
absolutely nothing wrong with raw data, with or without inverted commas.
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:MlYDbVBpYGMJ:scienceblo...
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Thereafter, the visual information is processed in a hierarchical manner through higher order visual cortical areas (V3, V4 and so on). Thus the "raw" data relating to the simple image components is combined; more features are added at each successive processing step, and the same information is encoded at increasingly larger scales. Thus, the initially crude representations of an image become more refined with each point in the hierarchy, until eventually an accurate reconstruction of the visual scene emerges into consciousness
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Note added at 1 hr (2009-09-10 13:53:57 GMT)
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http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:C5svoRbeJQsJ:www.teach1...
Know Your Mind
We now know that something important is always going on inside our brain and, as Understanding the Brain illustrates, if you know what to look for, you can observe specific aspects of your own brain in action:
* Vision: The "now you see it, now you don't" feeling you get when you see an illusion is your brain trying to interpret raw data from the eyes. Far from taking a picture of the world and sending it to the brain, the eyes actually transmit very little information; "seeing" is a creation of the brain.
* Thought: Sometimes, you can have trouble thinking after taking an antihistamine. This is because antihistamines do not just combat the effects of an allergy, they also block histamine as a neurotransmitter in the brain, altering your ability to think and process information.
* Motor skills: When you learn how to walk, ride a bicycle, knit, dance, or perform some other motor skill, you reach a point where all of a sudden you are able to coordinate the new movement. That is because specialized neurons in your brain's cerebellum are now firing in sequence.
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Therefore
absolutely nothing wrong with raw data, with or without inverted commas.
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Lionel_M (X)
: Liz, IMHO, talking about "data" for a brain is a metaphoric vision of this organ as a PC. A brain receive informations through sensory organs.
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