Aug 2, 2009 10:59
14 yrs ago
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Spanish term

letra/música

Spanish to English Other Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
I understand the words/lyrics - music/harmony word play here. I just can't think of a way to express the same idea in English, hopefully with a musical reference.

"Necesitamos incluir en los procesos organizativos no sólo la letra, sino también la música de la forma en que se usan esos medios en Estados Unidos."

Discussion

S Ben Price (asker) Aug 2, 2009:
> They are talking about using the internet in politics (like the recent Obama campaign, Howard Dean, etc.), and more generally about the advantages of non-hierarchical organisation (They compare open-source code to store bought porgrammes, i.e. everybody works together independently via the web, or you are basically told what want/need by an authority - in this case the software developers at the company that makes the non open-source code). They are saying that this has not been used to good effect in Spain.
patyjs Aug 2, 2009:
What procesos organizativos are we talking about here? Knowing the subject matter helps creativity :)

Proposed translations

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music and lyrics

My first thouth. But would it "play"?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=pl&q="music & lyrics"&btnG...

It's a very good movie, BTW.

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thought

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I would consider to combine "music and lyrics" with "fine-tuned". Perhaps it would work well in your document.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=pl&q="fine-tuned" + "Music...
Peer comment(s):

agree margaret caulfield
2 mins
thanks!
agree Maria Mastruzzo
33 mins
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agree Valeria Verona
47 mins
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agree Mirtha Grotewold
5 hrs
gracias!
agree Alejandro Alcaraz Sintes
6 hrs
gracias!
agree Marina56 : ok
23 hrs
gracias!
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20 mins

Our organizational processes need to include words set to music...

According to context here:

http://www.socialdemocracia.org/reflexiones/83-firma-invitad...

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also: words with a matching background of music, if talking about political YouTube videos
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4 hrs

words/tune

Not only the words but the tune...

An option. (Given the context I prefer "words
" since "lyrics" is too heavily associated with songs, IMHO, and isn't often used in other contexts.)
Peer comment(s):

agree Raquel Dominguez : Me gusta mucho "tune" en este caso.
5 hrs
Thanks, rdom :)
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1 hr

bells and whistles / meat and drink

To what extent is the musical metaphor significant? Unless you need to preserve it to chime in with another reference, perhaps best to do away with it and give yourself more possibilities. Not sure that these are ideal, but maybe a starting point for more ideas!

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- the whats and the hows
- the style and the techniques
- the science and the art

Just some more suggestions - not sure if they help at all!

(Personally I'm not sure that the music/lyrics metaphor really works - but that's just my opinion...).
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13 hrs

letter/spirit

We need to promote/present/cultivate/attend to/communicate not only the letter of these organizational processes but the spirit.

And we can begin by following not only the letter, but the spirit of the political reform initiative, the biggest vote-getter of all in the primary election ...
www.californiagovernors.ca.gov/h/.../inaugural_34.html

Second, all of our nations have a responsibility to abide by not only the letter, but the spirit, of the Security Council resolutions, and to do everything ...
www.securityconference.de/.../rede.php?id=209...

We were taught not only the letter but the spirit of the First Amendment; ... as an absolute over the vagaries and tempests of political and cultural excitements. .... As simple a change as inserting "disputably" before "outdated" would ...
www.volokh.com/posts/1247685307.shtml

May 17, 2009 ... who have worked entirely within not only the letter but the spirit of the rules governing expenses. ... Leaders are cultural architects who, by articulating vision, ... Big Changes To Our Leisure Time ...
www.2020plus.net/leadership_government.asp
Peer comment(s):

agree Martha Ar : This one sounds good to me :-)
21 hrs
Thanks, Martha!
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