Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

référentiels de sens

English translation:

benchmarks of meaning

Added to glossary by Cath St Clair (X)
Mar 18, 2009 03:34
15 yrs ago
French term

référentiels de sens

French to English Social Sciences Philosophy Consumer society
Context: A philosophical piece by Gilles Lipovetsky on “hyper-consumer society

"Toutes les valeurs, tous les référentiels de sens, (le juste, le vrai, l’amour, l’amitié), tout cela n’a nullement disparu."

I currently have “moral reference points”, but I’m hesitant about using “moral” here, since the author specifically used “sens” rather than “référentiels moraux”.

Discussion

Kevin Pendergast Mar 19, 2009:
référentiels In previous threads regarding "référentiels", the contexts and fields were quite different. I think the fact that we have seven different answers, none of which can immediately be written off as inappropriate, more than justifies this new query.
Gabrielle Leyden Mar 18, 2009:
référentiel "référentiels" has already been discussed; check previous threads.
I would not confuse "meanings" and "morals/ethics" however.

Proposed translations

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all the meaningful reference points

That's a bit of a looser suggestion, varying your own "moral reference points". I think "moral" is too specific a term here.

More narrowly, I think Hugo is on the right track: I think the author means those ideas/ideals or absolutes that are supposed to "ground" or anchor meaning, but I think this is effectively conveyed by "meaningful reference points".
Peer comment(s):

agree Cervin
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agree mill2
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neutral Helen Shiner : My question has to be what form of reference point is not meaningful?
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2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "This was my favourite, although I was not sure whether "meaningful" was changing the erm, "meaning" somewhat. In the end, I found the term used by the translator of Lipovetsky's book, which was "benchmarks of meaning". I think this works well. Thanks for all your help."
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all references to meaning

"Meaning" is a valid er, meaning of "sens" and yet has many of the same associations as "moral."
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all directional beacons

Could you interpret "sens" as direction and stay close to the original text? The directions are undoutebly moral ones, but they are specified within the brakets.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Gabrielle Leyden : meaning, not direction
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all the axes of meaning

I hope it helps
Peer comment(s):

neutral Kevin Pendergast : the "axes of meaning" is a specific linguistics term used by Saussure to differentiate between the study of the historical development of language (horizontal axis) and language as a system at any given point in time (vertical)
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reference systems of meaning

I had thought of "semantic reference systems", but that would narrow it to being specifically about language, a limitation that is not in the original.
Peer comment(s):

agree Euqinimod (X)
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repositories of meaning

I may be wrong, but I suspect that if the author meant "reference points", he would have used "points de référence" or "repères" rather than "référentiels". I interpret the use of the latter as bringing about a lexical aspect; so the argument would be that the terms "le juste, le vrai, etc." still evoke meaningful value systems.
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moral referents

“. . . The conflict in American public life today, then, is not a conflict between morality and secularism. It is a conflict of moralities in which one moral system calls itself secular and insists that the other do likewise as the price of admission to the public arena. That insistence is in fact a demand that the other side capitulate. By divesting ourselves of authoritative moral referents that are external to ourselves, such as religion proposes, we have acquiesced in the judgment that there is no moral appeal beyond the individualistic pursuit of interests.”
-Richard John Neuhaus. The Naked Public Square. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdman's, 1984. (125-6)

http://williamwrites.blogspot.com/2008/07/neuhaus-on-plurali...

I do think the author here intends to refer to guiding principles, which means a moral code.


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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2009-03-19 09:52:55 GMT)
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It seems that one can also use 'guiding referents' where one seeks to find a term that is ethically or morally neutral:

Constructivism, Criticalism & Postmodernism (Journal 5A)
In the paper I argue that science teachers should develop an enhanced sense of moral accountability by embracing an emancipatory ethic and an ethic of care as guiding referents. From a pragmatic perspective, teachers need to achieve a balance between the competing interests of a range of stakeholders. What is your opinion on this issue, particularly in relation to your own moral accountability as a teacher? Is it desirable to embrace these ethical values? Is it feasible? If it is desirable but not readily achievable, what are the first steps that can be taken? Are other ethical referents worth pursuing?

http://pendidikansains.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/constructivi...

Preparing Pre-service Teachers for their Role as Critical Mediators of Knowledge
For McLaren there are transcultural beliefs or values that unconditionally embracing postmodernism would deny. McLaren (1995) advocates an "organic" or "critical resistance" postmodernism that, "addresses the community of diverse Others under the law with respect to the guiding referents of freedom and liberation" (p. 210). The legitimate form of postmodernism is one that incorporates norms of fairness and equality. In summary of the view of both Banks and McLaren, they embrace the role of postmodernism as a critique but believe that the stakes of education are too high to unconditionally embrace the epistemological relativism of the postmodernist project.
http://webs.csu.edu/~amakedon/mpes/ROUNDTABLE/Vol1No2Fall200...

'Referents of meaning' is also an accepted term:

http://books.google.com/books?id=E_oYhjRfHokC&pg=PA135&lpg=P...

Of Barthes, Myths and Coding
In our analysis we examine the words and images (making up ‘signs’) that are used in the 131 collected print ads. New Economy discourse is literally teeming with signs. Veiled by the false obviousness of the ‘natural’, by pseudo economic ‘common sense’, these signs call out to be coded/decoded. Through our coding of the FT ads, we attempt to categorise and expose interlocking narratives and situate the emerging themes within a system of cultural representation. The analysis of ads from a semiotic framework is of course not original (see, for example, Williamson, 1978) (7). Following this approach, advertising functions as a complex hierarchical semiotic register in that signifiers transfer from first order referents of meaning to second and third order ones. Goldman and Papson (1996) theorised that the inevitable consequence of this process is that advertising imagery is eventually able to function and mean without reference, in that any image can (at least hypothetically) serve to signify any other. Sign systems are becoming arbitrary. They are liberated from many of the constraints imposed on other semiotic systems and consequently provide a unique medium suited perfectly to the representation and construction of myth and fantasy. In a recent book, Emisson and Smith (2000) provide a schema for analysing advertising materials. Drawing on Barthes’ work (1957) they propose an examination of the signs in each advertisement on a first-order level (i.e. the denotative, language level) before then looking at the myths that are present in the text at a second-order level (i.e. the connotative level, what is not said explicitly but what is implied).
http://www.ephemeraweb.org/journal/1-3/decocketal/framespage...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Kevin Pendergast : I think the asker is right to be reluctant to use "moral", which has implications that are unwarranted here (unless the broader context makes it clear that the author is referring to moral values). Truth, for example, often has non-moral value.
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Thanks for your comments, Will - but I am not at all sure that I share the Asker's scruples here./Please see notes I have added to my post.
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