Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

aggressione del cibo

English translation:

oral/dental/eating aggression

Added to glossary by Joseph Tein
Jan 26, 2009 18:06
15 yrs ago
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Italian term

aggressione

Italian to English Medical Psychology
in dettaglio "aggressione del cibo"

Il testo parla del significato del bocca e dei denti a livello psicologico.
Aggressione del cibo si riferisce all'atto fisico, quasi animalesco, primordiale, di attaccare, lacerare il cibo con i denti.
Spero di essere stata sufficientemente chiara.
Spiacente, ma non posso aggiungere molto altro. In ogni caso si tratta squisitamente di psicologia.
Non trovo riferimenti pertinenti e sono in dubbio su come rendere questo concetto in maniera concisa e, ovviamente, non posso utilizzare l'espressione "food aggression" che ha ben altro significato.

Qualche brillante idea all'orizzonte? Grazie in anticipo
Change log

Feb 3, 2009 17:20: Joseph Tein Created KOG entry

Feb 3, 2009 17:33: Joseph Tein changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/578038">Joseph Tein's</a> old entry - "aggressione del cibo"" to ""oral/dental/eating aggression""

Discussion

Mirra_ Feb 3, 2009:
grazie a te! per i chiarimenti attuali e per quelli futuri :)

take care, e spero che non ti sei presa quella che circola qui in Europa perché è veramente brutta (e lungaaaa, lo so per esperienza diretta :/)
texjax DDS PhD (asker) Feb 3, 2009:
@ Joseph. Ciao Joseph. Mi sono dimenticata di aggiungere che escludo oral aggression. La mia incertezza è su dental aggression.
Qualora riuscissi ad avere qualche chiarimento vi faccio sapere e ve ne rendo partecipi.
Grazie ancora per tutto.
Joseph Tein Feb 3, 2009:
Incertezza Grazie dottoressa ... and I'm also still feeling some incertezza along with you. 'Oral aggression' sounds too general for this context while 'dental aggression' might not be exactly what your text is talking about, and 'eating aggression' may be too narrow or infrequent! I've kept thinking about it, but can't come up with any other option. Good luck and hope you're feeling better :)
texjax DDS PhD (asker) Feb 3, 2009:
Grazie! Grazie a tutti per essere intervenuti e scusatemi per il ritardo...ho una terribile influenza da giorni... :(

Ho ancora qualche incertezza sul termine, in effetti, ma nel frattempo non ho avuto modo di contattare l'autore e Proz ha iniziato a mandarmi i messaggi per chiudere la domanda...quindi devo comunque prendere una decisione al riguardo.
Grazie per tutti gli interventi e commenti, sempre apprezzati.
Buona giornata!
Sele Jan 26, 2009:
anch'io dental! Appoggio fortemente Mirra_ soprattutto se il testo ha a che fare con la Gestalt
Mirra_ Jan 26, 2009:
dental dental dental ! ;) ciao Texjax,

vorrei fortemente appoggiare la proosta di *dental aggression° vs. 'oral aggression'

1- perché la prima è l'esatta traduzione (vedi ref.) del tuo testo originale
2 - perché invece parlare di 'oral aggression' sarebbe tutt'altro paio di maniche in quanto facilmente confondibile/sovrapponibile con l'aggressività verbale

ciao :)

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oral aggression

Ciao. When I was studying psychology I came across the term "oral agression" in reading about Fritz Perls' Gestalt therapy. One of his books was "Ego, Hunger and Aggression" where he uses this term.

Hope this helps :)

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I find 'dental' aggression less often in Google in this context, but for a translator-dentist this might be a more appropriate term :) and more seriously 'dental' aggression might be a better, more specific term to indicate biting and attacking food:

"Perls described its origins in what he called "dental aggression," the biting off and chewing up of one's experience in order to absorb the parts of it one needs and get rid of what one doesn't. "

See: http://www.gestalt.org/phgintro.htm

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For all of us interested in Italian-style Gestalt therapy, I just came across an interesting site: http://www.eagt.org/biblio/Italian_Bibliography_2002.htm

See especially the reference by Spagnuolo:

"La Formazione ln Gestalt Terapia. Come la prospettiva dell'aggressione dentale modifica il concetto tradizionale di formazione, "

I think now that 'dental' aggression is a better expression in this case, as Mirra is saying.
Example sentence:

" a lot of what Perls had to say on the nature of hunger and oral aggression. ..."

" Central to Fritz and Laura Perls' modifications of psychoanalysis was the concept of "dental or oral aggression". In "Ego, Hunger and Aggression" (1944), ..."

Note from asker:
Thanks Joseph, very interesting indeed. Actually my dentistry degree dissertation was an experimental work on "dental psychology" and therefore I should know better, but most of my books are in Italy...
Peer comment(s):

agree Ieda Pierluca : I agree.
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muito obrigado :)
agree Mirra_ : yes *dental aggression* :)
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grazie Mirra
agree Rachel Fell : dental agg. here - http://tinyurl.com/cjl9vs http://tinyurl.com/blm52r
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Hi Rachel. Thank you.
agree James (Jim) Davis : Touchè
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Ciao Jim. Thanks.
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eating aggression

As an alternative to, Joseph's oral aggression, which rings many bells from when I studied psychology. So Freudian!

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I won't find any Joseph, but of course you won't find any on "aggressione del cibo" in Italian either, unlike "aggressione orale":
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=desk... which does have some psychological currency in Italian.
I would say that "aggressione orale" is the correct translation of "oral aggression", a very common concept in Freudian psychology which is all about biting chewing and of course suckling:

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q="oral ...

So something different is needed for "aggressione del cibo" which does have a focus on "cibo". Maybe I should have put this in a discussion.

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I think that frequency of use is an important factor in translation. Often a heavily used standard term should be translated with an equally heavily used standard term and a rare, unique in this case, term with an equally rare term. Of course I prefix this with often.
Note from asker:
Thanks Jim.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Joseph Tein : Ciao Jim :) ... you won't find many references in the literature on 'eating' aggression.//.Hi Jim ... You make a good point about the specific 'cibo' term; the translation will depend on the overall focus of the text, I think.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

dental aggression

"The forces of the field are given by the persception of all the elements making up the field and as such the Self is in a uniquly relational position. The founders of Gestalt also thought of the human nature as a self-regulating organism. They thought that man was able and capable to adjust to both his own needs and the environment. Along with this thought, Perls (1942) created the idea of dental aggression. The childs ability to bite accompanies her competance to destructure reality."
http://www.akribi-consulting.com/html/training.htm


vedi anche
http://www.google.it/search?hl=it&q="dental aggression"&meta...


e attenzione ad altre possibilità perché come già giustamente consideravi rischi poi di invadere il territorio dei disordini alimentari (che in parte è connesso all'argomento, ovviamente, ma in parte no)
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Sele
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grazie molte Sele!! :))
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