Helena Chavarria Sep 7, 2017:

And, for what it's worth I've spent the past three days translating 'cazuelas' as 'cooking pots', which is commonly used when describing archaeological findings.

Helena Chavarria Sep 7, 2017:

'Carena media' has nothing to do with medium-sized Carena alta: el ángulo se marca en la parte alta del vaso;

Carena media: el ángulo se marca en la parta media del vaso;

Carena baja: el ángulo se marca en la parte baja del vaso.

https://books.google.es/books?id=LFZdY6Kf3GsC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA...

Kathryn Litherland Jan 28, 2009:

cazuela To Lucila: Good and perfectly clear question. I believe that all cazuelas (in the context of archaeology) can be described as carinated, but not all carinated vessels are cazuelas. If the author feels it necessary to use both designations in Spanish, I'd keep both in English, even if it may be a bit redundant.
To Neil: in an article on pottery assemblages in a North American archaeological site, there is likely no translation involved at all. The articles themselves are written in English, by English speakers, and they are referencing a lengthy prior literature that is also in English, written by English speakers. "Cazuela" is just a technical term that has entered into the jargon from another language.

Here's a good discussion on the term that even touches on the very subject of why this term is used in the context of North American Mississippian sites, from a transcript of an interview recorded in 1974 with AR Kelly, a pioneer in Mississippian [pre-Hispanic North American Indian cultures of the southeastern US] archaeology:

A. R. KELLY - Well, I'll tell you. You have to remember this. One thing, you remember, you have the cazuela bowls. Cazuela bowls, incidentally is an extremely important trait in itself. They come in very suddenly and almost certainly have to be...
MARK WILLIAMS - From the West?
A. R. KELLY - They have to come from the West maybe, but they come from the South, Mexico, too. Cazuela as the name implies, it's a southern trait. But they come in late. But in cazuela bowls you get decorated, inverted rim borders, and the body of your pot can be stamped or it can be plain. So when we do our percentages and say well it's plain or it's stamped or it's incised, you can get all three of them on the same damn vessel.
WOODY WILLIAMS - Right, however...
A. R. KELLY - And if it's a piece no bigger than that it doesn't mean the whole pot was plain.
WOODY WILLIAMS - A good example of that are these pots I put together from down here on the Oconee River, you remember. They were all...the most common shape was the cazuela shape, incised to the shoulder and plain thereafter. But at Tugalo we didn't have that. It's incised to the shoulder and stamped there under, and there is none that I can find that is different. However at Chauga it obviously was different. And I just, I'm just trying to figure out, what does it mean?
A. R. KELLY - Well, Margaret [Clayton Russel], I think has given the explanation. The incising and the cazuela form too, probably, come from the West. They come just before DeSoto.
shapiro.anthro.uga.edu/Lamar/PDFfiles/Publication%2007.pdf

neilmac Jan 28, 2009:

I disagree - the failure to translate "cazuela" in the cited links to me smacks of lazy translating.

Lucila Acosta (asker) Jan 28, 2009:

doubts! Sorry. You're right. Cazuela does seem to appear in many technical arch. articles. I have a question though. They seem to refer often to "carinated or cazuela bowls" and I'm wondering whether this implies that these two terms are interchangeable. This being the case, would it then be either "middle-sized carinated bowls" or "middle-sized cazuela bowls" rather than "medium-sized carinated cazuelas"? I hope I'm not being confusing and sorry to be such a pain!

Kathryn Litherland Jan 27, 2009:

cazuela guys, I am usually not argumentative, but I'm afraid that if this is for a technical paper (and it surely is), it's important to use the right technical term. The term "cazuela" is widely used in the technical literature, as are other terms for pottery forms derived from Spanish. This is not the result of poor or incomplete translation. All of these references are written by native English speakers, and many of them concern archeological sites that are pre-Hispanic North American sites,

"Vessel types were mostly jars, hemispherical bowls, cazuela bowls, and pans."
http://spencemeyers.com/arch/overhill.html
...a term coined by Culbert in Tikal (1993) that for the Palenque material has been divided into the following categories: ollas, cazuelas, cajetes, plates, vessels, beakers, and tecomates."
http://www.famsi.org/reports/02048/
"it seems likely that their typical vessels — ollas and cazuelas — were used to ... "
"The Peoples of the Caribbean," by Nicholas J. Saunders.

"Cazuela bowl forms, with their sharply carinated shoulders, made their debut during the Middle Qualla phase (fig. 5.18). "
Time Before History: The Archaeology of North Carolina, by H. Trawick Ward, R. P. Stephen Davis

"The ceramic assemblages contain cazuela bowls with burnished and carved-paddle stamped exteriors"
www.ncdot.org/doh/PRECONSTRUCT/pe/ohe/archaeology/stokes/Ch...

"The main vessel shape that we have is a cazuela shape like this vessel on display over here. Most of them are considerably smaller than that and as in the report there are a few with incising and stamping. "
shapiro.anthro.uga.edu/Lamar/PDFfiles/Publication%2005.pdf

Lucila Acosta (asker) Jan 27, 2009:

Sorry! Here's full sentence Los recipientes decorados están escasamente representados en el conjunto al igual que las formas carenadas, presentes a través de cazuelas de carena media, similares a morfotipos identificados en otros yacimientos.

neilmac Jan 26, 2009:

Can we have the end of the sentence please?