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French term

découpes morphologiques avec os

French to English Other Livestock / Animal Husbandry Agriculture (sheepmeat sector)
Okay, okay, I give up. What on earth is "découpes morphologiques"? It's from a text that talks about the different forms in which lamb is sold. I've had a stab at it:


Toutes les présentations sont concernées, aussi bien les découpes morphologiques avec os (casques, carrés, selles ou gigots) que les découpes avec os ou désossées sans dénomination particulière.

This relates to all presentations, whether unboned muscle cuts (forequarter, loin, saddle or leg) or boned or unboned cuts that are not specifically named.


Okay, so it's not "muscle cuts" - I presume it's something to do with the physical shape, i.e. a leg looks like a leg, etc. But would we really say "morphological cuts"? I can't find any references in this context...

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Discussion

Ccilb77 Mar 28, 2008:
I found the most detailed document entitled: Guidelines for slaughtering, meat cutting and further processing. Maybe it could help you for other parts in your translation. There is a chapter entitled: Meat cuttings and utilization of meat cuts.
Ccilb77 Mar 28, 2008:
...difference with "sans dénomination particulière", which means, not cut along certain lines, and not a whole part like forequarter, for example. This is "undefined part of lamb"... Enjoy!
Ccilb77 Mar 28, 2008:
To me, "découpe morphologique" doesn't have anything to do with the physical shape. It means leaving why belongs together together, so to say, instead of cutting slices, for example. A whole muscle will become one cut. That's the différence with...
Ccilb77 Mar 28, 2008:
There something I don't quite get: why should "avec os" become "unboned"? Why not "with bones"?
Alan Campbell (asker) Mar 28, 2008:
"Primal cuts" sounds good, but would it fit here?
Alan Campbell (asker) Mar 28, 2008:
Oops Oh, that probably should have been "on the bone or deboned cuts" or "in-bone or boneless cuts" (but then I suppose "boneless" implies that there was no bone to start with. Oh, how I'm loving this!

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I may well be told off for not putting a suggestion, but really this is not my field at all:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:5O06n50fIAgJ:www.whff.i...


En 1986, la Fédération Européenne de la Holstein Frisonne (EHFF) a constitué un groupe de
travail pour examiner l’harmonisation des systèmes de classification morphologique. Les objectifs
étaient d’établir des recommandations pour l’harmonisation de la classification morphologique,
incluant la définition des caractères, les systèmes de classification, la publication des index
morphologiques et l’évaluation des taureaux d’IA. En 1988, WHFF a adopté le programme
d’harmonisation morphologique de EHFF.

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Evaluation internationale de la morphologie des bovins laitiers
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d’harmonisation morphologique pour l’évaluation de la morphologie des vaches ... d’harmonisation de la morphologie et il est logique, considérant la qualité ...
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i.e.

La morphologie = the physical makeup of the meat cuts

Method of trimming a meat portion by ultrasonic and electronic ...
A method of trimming cuts of meat by imposing on an electronic controller ... sensor to locate and identify the natural physical makeup of the meat portion. ...
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Hi

It is possible they are talking about genuine, bona fide cuts of meat from the animal itself, rather than the meat being processed in anyway.

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4. La caractérisation de la qualité

II reste à caractériser un produit du champ à l'assiette tout le long de la chaîne.

La lourdeur des caractérisations biochimiques, chimiques, bactériologiques, morphologiques ou organoleptiques, ainsi que le caractère non systématique des réponses aux tests de comparaison des produits issus de l'agriculture conventionnelle et de l'agriculture biologique, ont amené l'administration et les producteurs biologistes à définir le produit par la façon dont il est cultivé (respect d'un cahier des charges). Le contrôle, là aussi, est très difficile et pour l'heure, effectué par la profession elle-même. Cette façon de faire, qui a l'avantage d être simple et pratique, ne satisfait pas le chercheur et ne devrait pas satisfaire le consommateur, produire "autrement" ne signifie pas forcément produire "mieux".

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I.e.

these are cuts of meat that are actually physically cut from the animal



Only you will know if "primal cuts" fits the bill.

I think it does.

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And

the meat IS with the bone



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i.e.

leg of lamb
shoulder of lamb
lamb chops
lamb steaks
neck of lamb


These all have a bone in them!!

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cuts

in the sense of

parts of the body of the animal
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Thanks a lot for your detailed answer!
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Cuts

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I do realise that this is probably not the best answer, but I just wanted to explain to you how meat is prepared in France. They do sell some meats as cuts but in general meat is prepared in a tidy roll that is "ficelé"(with string). These can sometimes contain a bone, eg. when it is a portion of leg of lamb and I suspect sometimes it is a way of cheating the client in thinking he has a cheap cut when in fact he is paying for the bone.
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bone-in cuts following the animal's natural morphology/anatomical shape

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it's pretty wordy, but maybe it will help you or others think of something more concise
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Thanks for your help.
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