Nov 12, 2006 22:19
17 yrs ago
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German term
fluency in engineering
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, Latin to English, German Middle High (ca.1050-1500) to English, and 2 more.
gezielt
German to English
Art/Literary
History
museum/collection
Im Laufe der nächsten fünfzig Jahren erwarb das British Museum u. a. auch größere Skulpturenzusammenhänge aus Lykien und aus dem Mausoleum in Harlikarnassus sowie aus Knidos, die z. T. **gezielt** durch Beauftragte für London gesucht und erworben wurden.
Maybe it's late, but I can't wrap my mind around gezielt and what it's doing in the sentence. I want it to be a compound verb with gesucht and erworben, thus:
collections that were sought and acquired for London, selected in part by representatives
or
collections that were selected, sought and acquired, in part by representatives for London
Context: article on the British Museum, specifically the history of the antiquities departments.
Readership (Since Francis will ask :) ): It's an encyclopedia, but it assumes a bachelors degree from its readers and a good background in Classical History.
mtia/vDiV
Maybe it's late, but I can't wrap my mind around gezielt and what it's doing in the sentence. I want it to be a compound verb with gesucht and erworben, thus:
collections that were sought and acquired for London, selected in part by representatives
or
collections that were selected, sought and acquired, in part by representatives for London
Context: article on the British Museum, specifically the history of the antiquities departments.
Readership (Since Francis will ask :) ): It's an encyclopedia, but it assumes a bachelors degree from its readers and a good background in Classical History.
mtia/vDiV
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +4 | specifically |
Lancashireman
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| 2 +3 | specific/precise requests ... // targeting // systematically |
Francis Lee (X)
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| 2 +1 | targeted research |
Fabio Descalzi
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Proposed translations
+4
32 mins
Lancashireman
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Related KudoZ points
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252
Selected
specifically
for the British Museum
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Note added at 34 mins (2006-11-12 22:54:15 GMT)
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i.e. with the specific requirements of the British Museum in mind
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Note added at 34 mins (2006-11-12 22:54:15 GMT)
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i.e. with the specific requirements of the British Museum in mind
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to everyone who answered and commented. I went with Andrew's rather than Francis' (much as I like the specific targeting of statures for acquisition), I think 'w/ the specific requirements of the BM' is more neutral and fits the tone of the entire article better."
+1
6 mins
Fabio Descalzi
Uruguay
Uruguay
Uruguay
GER>SPA Translator in Architecture
Native in: Spanish
Works in: German to Spanish, English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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4
German term (edited):
gezielte Suche
targeted research
This could work
Peer comment(s):
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swisstell
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Thank you
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Kim Metzger
: I don't at all see how it could work in this sentence, Fabio. You need to propose an entire rewrite or show how "targeted research" could modify gesucht and erworben.
29 mins
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Perhaps "search" instead of "research". Read what I've just written in the body of the answer.
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+3
51 mins
specific/precise requests ... // targeting // systematically
i.e.
- often issuing specific requests/targets for its agents to seek and acquire
- often targeting specific items ...
- often finding them and acquiring them on a systematic basis
But there are definitely other (better) options ...
- often selecting specific items for "recovery" ...
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Note added at 59 mins (2006-11-12 23:19:01 GMT)
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U-hu, so Andrew also has "specifically". But I plead innocent, guilty only of having the window open so long ... blah bah. Anyway, "specific" and derivatives thereof certainly provide options here ...
- often dispatching agents with the specific task of ...
- often making the discovery/locating/localization and acquisition ... a specific policy
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-11-12 23:24:39 GMT)
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And in order to abvoid repetition, perhaps render the second "erwerben" with "secure possession of" or "bring home/back to London".
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Note added at 9 hrs (2006-11-13 07:52:40 GMT)
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- some of which were singled out for acquisition by ...
- which were sometimes/often systematically targeted ... (thanks for the prompt, Bernhard)
Oh, and thanks for the exhaustive context, Rebecca ;-)
- often issuing specific requests/targets for its agents to seek and acquire
- often targeting specific items ...
- often finding them and acquiring them on a systematic basis
But there are definitely other (better) options ...
- often selecting specific items for "recovery" ...
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Note added at 59 mins (2006-11-12 23:19:01 GMT)
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U-hu, so Andrew also has "specifically". But I plead innocent, guilty only of having the window open so long ... blah bah. Anyway, "specific" and derivatives thereof certainly provide options here ...
- often dispatching agents with the specific task of ...
- often making the discovery/locating/localization and acquisition ... a specific policy
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-11-12 23:24:39 GMT)
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And in order to abvoid repetition, perhaps render the second "erwerben" with "secure possession of" or "bring home/back to London".
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Note added at 9 hrs (2006-11-13 07:52:40 GMT)
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- some of which were singled out for acquisition by ...
- which were sometimes/often systematically targeted ... (thanks for the prompt, Bernhard)
Oh, and thanks for the exhaustive context, Rebecca ;-)
Peer comment(s):
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Kim Metzger
: Seems like the German is open to a lot of interpretation.
8 mins
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Ta, Kim. Yes, it's also not the best written sentence, including erwarb and erwerbern ...
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| agree |
Bernhard Sulzer
: especially with "precise requests;" how about also: specifically targeted/specifically requested
11 mins
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Thanks, Bernhard. Fine, although I suspect a gerund will probably be needed there. Btw: my answer to your mail today also got a "Mail delivery failed" message 8-(
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Kirsten Schulze
: i'd go for "systematically" here, i think they're trying to say these agents had specific orders to look for e.g. certain sculptures
1 hr
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