4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Special thanks to Zsuzsa Bedo for her translation of my phrase. Thanks also to Emil Eugen Pop. I was pleased with both answers but I voted for Zsuzsa's answer because she attempted to give it a more literary rendering. I think that this passage is more of a brain-twister than I originally thought and there may be no ideal translation into English but I think both translators did well considering the circumstances and again, I thank them. --- Brian Costello My vote goes to Zsuzsa - 4 points."