Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Japanese term or phrase:
ＡはＢをＣとする
English translation:
A appoints B as C
Added to glossary by
Roddy Stegemann
May 26, 2006 15:55
17 yrs ago
Japanese term
United States
権限保有者は社長を各職位の最高責任者とする
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I am having trouble with a natural translation of 権限保有者(right-holder?) and also some difficulty with the grammar of this sentence. Any help is appreciated...
The full sentence is 当社の権限保有者は、社長を各職位の最高責任者とし、以下を定める職位とする。
(This sentence is followed by an org chart and later a list of position / role names and their responsibilities)
The full sentence is 当社の権限保有者は、社長を各職位の最高責任者とし、以下を定める職位とする。
(This sentence is followed by an org chart and later a list of position / role names and their responsibilities)
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Suggested translation below
Translation: The president shall, by decision of those authorized, preside over the responsibilities of the following persons.
Note: Unless you know the legal nature of the company, you should not read more into the meaning of the words than what is given. Assigning titles other than President, which is clearly stated, would be a grave error in translation.
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You could also replace the phrase "by decision of those authorized" with the phrase "by appointment", as appointments are only made by those authorized to do so.
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One more refinement: As it appears that "those authorized" appoint both the president and those over whose responsibilities he/she presides, you may want to reposition the phrase "by decision of those authorized" at the beginning of the sentence and write: "By decision of those authorized the president shall preside over the responsibilities of the following persons."
Note: Unless you know the legal nature of the company, you should not read more into the meaning of the words than what is given. Assigning titles other than President, which is clearly stated, would be a grave error in translation.
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You could also replace the phrase "by decision of those authorized" with the phrase "by appointment", as appointments are only made by those authorized to do so.
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One more refinement: As it appears that "those authorized" appoint both the president and those over whose responsibilities he/she presides, you may want to reposition the phrase "by decision of those authorized" at the beginning of the sentence and write: "By decision of those authorized the president shall preside over the responsibilities of the following persons."
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The authorized personnel designated the president chief officer of all officers
Despite your impression, nothing of grammar is wrong in this sentence. Although I surmise you have trouble if 権限保有者 is single or plural (as we always do).
To address this, I believe it is plural as they are talking about corporate body of people, a group of top leaders.
In sum, they voted 社長 the person who holds most authority among those **in authority**, or those to whom the power to elect was delegated, or appointed to do the job （権限保有者たち）.
This sure sounds like a part of 定款.
Well, upon above information provided, please improvise most suitable translation at your disposal.
To address this, I believe it is plural as they are talking about corporate body of people, a group of top leaders.
In sum, they voted 社長 the person who holds most authority among those **in authority**, or those to whom the power to elect was delegated, or appointed to do the job （権限保有者たち）.
This sure sounds like a part of 定款.
Well, upon above information provided, please improvise most suitable translation at your disposal.
Peer comment(s):
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Roddy Stegemann
: Why do you render in English a Japanese sentence that is clearly not written in past tense in the past?
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casey
: "authorized personnel" refers to staff of a department store or the like, not company management.
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Having the chairman responsibe for every positioion, the authorized members of the company have...
当社の権限保有者は、社長を各職位の最高責任者とし、以下を定める職位とする。
The authorized members of the company, assigning the chairman the highest responsibility of every position, have decided to make the following positions permanent.
Having the chairman responsibe for every [employment] position[-related matter], the authorized members of the company have decided to make the following [employment] positions permanent.
「権限保有者」につきましては、「Board Members」と訳すことができるかと思っておりますけれど。
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こちらもご覧くださいませ。
「with the chairman being the most responsible person in position-related decisions」
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*typo:
in every position-related decision
申し訳ございませんでした。
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With the chairman being chief officer, the authorized members of the company have decided to make the following [employment] positions permanent.
The authorized members of the company, assigning the chairman the highest responsibility of every position, have decided to make the following positions permanent.
Having the chairman responsibe for every [employment] position[-related matter], the authorized members of the company have decided to make the following [employment] positions permanent.
「権限保有者」につきましては、「Board Members」と訳すことができるかと思っておりますけれど。
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こちらもご覧くださいませ。
「with the chairman being the most responsible person in position-related decisions」
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*typo:
in every position-related decision
申し訳ございませんでした。
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With the chairman being chief officer, the authorized members of the company have decided to make the following [employment] positions permanent.
Peer comment(s):
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Roddy Stegemann
: What evidence do you have that those authorized to appoint are "members" of the company? Moreover, what does it mean to hold membership in a company? / Then you should write "board members" or "members of the board".
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merely suggesting those who have the authority in a company to be board members.
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The administration shall be consist of the following positions with president as chief officer.
Yet another interpretation.
権限保有者: administrative staff
最高責任者: chief officer
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Oops! A typo. Delete 'be' right in front of 'consist'. I first wrote 'shall be composed of'.
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Here is my attempt to illustrate the sentence structure:
権限保有者は=権限保有者については=as for 権限保有者
以下を/定める職位/とする=[we] make/the following [positions]/the positions [we hereby] stipulates
社長を各職位の最高責任者とし=making president chief officer
(Words in square brackets have no corresponding English words, but implied in the Japanese sentence.)
The key word here is とする. It simply means 'make', but it also signals that the whole sentence is a rule or a decision made in a meeting.
I am not sure about my translation of 権限保有者, 社長, and 最高責任者. Much depends on the context.
As for 権限保有者 in particular, I can agree with enshrine-san in that it can be authorized members (of some project or whatever).
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Why am I so careless today? I have to make another correction.
WRONG: (Words in square brackets have no corresponding English words, but implied in the Japanese sentence.)
CORRECT: (Words in square brackets have no corresponding Japanese words, but are implied in the sentence.)
権限保有者: administrative staff
最高責任者: chief officer
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Oops! A typo. Delete 'be' right in front of 'consist'. I first wrote 'shall be composed of'.
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Note added at 15 hrs (2006-05-27 07:28:14 GMT)
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Here is my attempt to illustrate the sentence structure:
権限保有者は=権限保有者については=as for 権限保有者
以下を/定める職位/とする=[we] make/the following [positions]/the positions [we hereby] stipulates
社長を各職位の最高責任者とし=making president chief officer
(Words in square brackets have no corresponding English words, but implied in the Japanese sentence.)
The key word here is とする. It simply means 'make', but it also signals that the whole sentence is a rule or a decision made in a meeting.
I am not sure about my translation of 権限保有者, 社長, and 最高責任者. Much depends on the context.
As for 権限保有者 in particular, I can agree with enshrine-san in that it can be authorized members (of some project or whatever).
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Note added at 15 hrs (2006-05-27 07:34:48 GMT)
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Why am I so careless today? I have to make another correction.
WRONG: (Words in square brackets have no corresponding English words, but implied in the Japanese sentence.)
CORRECT: (Words in square brackets have no corresponding Japanese words, but are implied in the sentence.)
Peer comment(s):
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Roddy Stegemann
: "shall be consist" is improper English.
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Yes. It's a typo. I've already corrected it.
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Authorized personnelshall have the titles set forth below and the president shall be the CEO.
「当社の権限保有者は、社長を各職位の最高責任者とし、以下を定める職位とする。」
I think the original sentence can be paraphrased as follows:
当社の権限保有者は、以下に(?)定める職位とし、（その中で）社長を各職位の最高責任者とする。
"Authorized personnel of the Company shall have the titles set forth below and the president shall be the chief executive officer."
I think the original sentence can be paraphrased as follows:
当社の権限保有者は、以下に(?)定める職位とし、（その中で）社長を各職位の最高責任者とする。
"Authorized personnel of the Company shall have the titles set forth below and the president shall be the chief executive officer."
Peer comment(s):
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casey
: I like the structure of the translation, but "authorized personnel" generally refers to people who are allowed to go into the back room of a department store, i.e. "staff."
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Roddy Stegemann
: You have inserted a comma, where one clearly does not appear in the original sentence. As the sentence is perfectly clear without the additional comma, but in a different sense, I do not understand your justification for inserting one.
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Manager
1) 社長＝COO（Chief Operating Officer) appoints managers.
See COO's definition: http://www.answers.com/topic/chief-operating-officer
2)専務、常務という肩書は存在しない。アメリカは Vice President が多いが、このアメリカン Vice President は日本の「副社長」と違って、部長、課長クラスの権限保有者にも乱発する傾向があり、
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See 「肩書きの英語」：
http://www.tecbo.co.jp/tbl-library/title.pdf
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第１条 （目的）
この規程は、会社の業務執行に関する各職位の責任と権限を明確に定め、業務の組織的かつ能率的な運営を図ることを目的とする。
第２条 （用語の定義）
この規程における用語の定義は、次のとおりとする。
（１） 職位とは、管理組織上の地位をいう
（２） 職務とは、経営活動として行うべき業務のうち、各職位の責務を全うするために遂行すべきものとして与えられた具体的な業務をいう
（３） 責任とは、その職位にある者が負わなければならない責務をいう
（４） 権限とは、職務の遂行にあたって、その行為の効力を最終的に発生させ、その実施を指令する機能および限界をいう
See 「職務権限規定」：
http://www.sos-soumu.com/html/2/download/010_040_020_020_1.h...
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See 「責任・権限のポイント」：
http://www.tqm9000.jp/point/p05.php4?mm=3&sm=3
See COO's definition: http://www.answers.com/topic/chief-operating-officer
2)専務、常務という肩書は存在しない。アメリカは Vice President が多いが、このアメリカン Vice President は日本の「副社長」と違って、部長、課長クラスの権限保有者にも乱発する傾向があり、
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Note added at 10 hrs (2006-05-27 02:09:49 GMT)
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See 「肩書きの英語」：
http://www.tecbo.co.jp/tbl-library/title.pdf
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Note added at 2 days5 hrs (2006-05-28 21:44:59 GMT)
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第１条 （目的）
この規程は、会社の業務執行に関する各職位の責任と権限を明確に定め、業務の組織的かつ能率的な運営を図ることを目的とする。
第２条 （用語の定義）
この規程における用語の定義は、次のとおりとする。
（１） 職位とは、管理組織上の地位をいう
（２） 職務とは、経営活動として行うべき業務のうち、各職位の責務を全うするために遂行すべきものとして与えられた具体的な業務をいう
（３） 責任とは、その職位にある者が負わなければならない責務をいう
（４） 権限とは、職務の遂行にあたって、その行為の効力を最終的に発生させ、その実施を指令する機能および限界をいう
See 「職務権限規定」：
http://www.sos-soumu.com/html/2/download/010_040_020_020_1.h...
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See 「責任・権限のポイント」：
http://www.tqm9000.jp/point/p05.php4?mm=3&sm=3
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