Jun 2, 2005 11:02
18 yrs ago
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German term
Feinsteinzeug
German to English
Tech/Engineering
Materials (Plastics, Ceramics, etc.)
I am aware that this question has been previously posted on KudoZ and the answer has been porcelain stoneware. I chose this translation in a job I completed, but was now told by the client that Feinsteinzeug has nothing to do with porcelain. In the meantime I found out that is obviously similar to porcelain. I would like to know if anybody has another idea. The specification I had to translate differentiated between Steinzeug and Feinsteinzeug. Thanks for your help.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | Ceramics, porcelain |
David Moore (X)
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| 4 -1 | stoneware |
Maciej Andrzejczak
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| 3 | fine stoneware |
gfish
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| 3 | china |
Michael McWilliam
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Proposed translations
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Ceramics, porcelain
is correct, but it depends on how hot they are baked or fired; "Steinzeug" is "stoneware", so the earlier posting on kudoz confused the issue totally...
Porcelain is also loosely known as china, and if we look at the definitions in Chambers 21st. Century Dictionary, I think we will see why:
ceramic: any of a number of hard, brittle materials, such as enamel, porcelin or brick, produced by moulding or shaping and then baking or firing clays at high temperatures.
china: articles made from a fine, translucent earthenware, originally made in China.
earthenware: (Tonwaren) pottery made of a kind of baked clay, which is rather coarse to the touch.
porcelain: (Porzellan) a fine, translucent earthenware, originally made in China.
stoneware: a type of hard, coarse pottery made from clay that has a high proportion of silica, sand or flint in it.
Porcelain is also loosely known as china, and if we look at the definitions in Chambers 21st. Century Dictionary, I think we will see why:
ceramic: any of a number of hard, brittle materials, such as enamel, porcelin or brick, produced by moulding or shaping and then baking or firing clays at high temperatures.
china: articles made from a fine, translucent earthenware, originally made in China.
earthenware: (Tonwaren) pottery made of a kind of baked clay, which is rather coarse to the touch.
porcelain: (Porzellan) a fine, translucent earthenware, originally made in China.
stoneware: a type of hard, coarse pottery made from clay that has a high proportion of silica, sand or flint in it.
Peer comment(s):
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Ian M-H (X)
: ... but porcelain tiles aren't at all like porcelain tea sets: dense, not translucent. See e.g. www.presleyceramics.co.uk/faqs.php // Yes. A safe option (for tiles or anything else) might be "fine ceramic...", exploiting multiple meanings of "fine".
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You're right Ian; I think in fact that is a misnomer for "ceramic tiles", don't you?
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Ceramic (more generic) or stoneware tiles for Steinzeugfliesen and porcelain tiles for Feinsteinzeug seems to be commonly used in England, South Africa and New Zealand. I also found these definitions in a German and an American glossary, which confirm the translation:
:"Keramisches Erzeugnis mit dichtem farbigem Scherben, das in seiner chemischen Zusammensetzung dem Porzellan ähnelt" http://www.biermann-web.de/frame/fliesen/fliesen-abc/feinsteinzeug.html. "Feinsteinzeug. Hier sind die technischen Vorzüge der "normalen" unglasierten und glasierten Steinzeugfliesen kombiniert: Da diese Feinsteinzeugfliesen keine Glasur haben, ist dieses Material auch für die stärkste Beanspruchung auf Dauer einsetzbar. Aber durch die sehr geringe Wasseraufnahme (sehr gutes Feinsteinzeug hat eine Wasseraufnahme von höchstens 0,05%) sind diese Fliesen auch sehr fleckunempfindlich" http://www.klinkerinfos.de/term112.html. "IMPERVIOUS STONEWARE TILES: Also known as China or Porcelain or Fully Vitrified Stoneware Tiles, these are usually unglazed tiles composed of raw materials, which produce non-porous bisque of high mechanical strength and chemical resistance. Glazed or unglazed, these dust pressed or dry pressed ceramic tiles (with a water absorption level less than .5%) are often specified for exterior installations" www.crestdistributors.com/glossary.htm.
Thank you very much for all your help.
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Maciej Andrzejczak
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stoneware
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Feinsteinzeug = stoneware
Steinzeug = earthenware, pottery
this is the difference I see
Steinzeug = earthenware, pottery
this is the difference I see
Peer comment(s):
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David Moore (X)
: I think Chambers and the Oxford Duden might bridle at this...
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Comment: "Steinzeug is stoneware. Earthenware is Steingut. In the meantime I discovered that Feinsteinzeug is also called fully vitrified stoneware. But thanks for your help."
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fine stoneware
Declined
Fine stoneware is made from stoneware clay that is finely sieved and kneaded
Comment: "Thank you for your help"
3 hrs
Michael McWilliam
United States
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Related KudoZ points
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3
china
Declined
if you are talking about dinner ware
Comment: "Sorry for not including the context in my question. I was talking about tiles."
Discussion
I had Feinsteinzeugfliesen in a job last week and found lots of Spanish manufacturers calling them porcelain tiles in English - and porcelain tiles on English retailers' sites certainly look similar