Apr 17, 2005 08:46
19 yrs ago
Japanese term
United States
行為者すべてが子ども全員に対して負っている
Japanese to English
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
Research Paper: Rights of the Child
たとえば、子どもに虐待をしてはならないという義務は、行為者すべてが子ども全員に対して負っている.
This is my candidate translation.
For instance, the obligation to not abuse children is demanded of all the actors, for all children.
For the Japanese, who is obligated to do what for whom? I am not clear. Am I on the right track?
This is my candidate translation.
For instance, the obligation to not abuse children is demanded of all the actors, for all children.
For the Japanese, who is obligated to do what for whom? I am not clear. Am I on the right track?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 | all actors are obligated to all children |
Iyasu Nagata
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| 4 +4 | Doers? |
Kaori Myatt
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| 3 +1 | perpetrators (of abuse) |
sumc
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| 3 | Those who are involved/action takers |
humbird
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Proposed translations
6 mins
Iyasu Nagata
United States
United States
Native in Japanese
&
English
United States
Each word chosen with care
Native in: English 
, Japanese
Works in: Japanese to English, English to Japanese
Related KudoZ points
:
6
Japanese term (edited):
�s�҂��ׂĂ��q�ǂ�S���ɑ��ĕ����Ă���
Selected
all actors are obligated to all children
all actors are obligated to all children to not abuse them
side note: translation of 行為者 as "actor" is new to me. interesting...
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Note added at 1 hr 53 mins (2005-04-17 10:40:45 GMT)
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suggestions for 行為者: ¥"active people¥" or ¥"people in positions of responsibility¥"
side note: translation of 行為者 as "actor" is new to me. interesting...
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Note added at 1 hr 53 mins (2005-04-17 10:40:45 GMT)
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suggestions for 行為者: ¥"active people¥" or ¥"people in positions of responsibility¥"
3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks. The main question I had was how the subject and object are related to each other, and this was answered most clearly here. For 行為者 I wish I could award points for the candidate translation "agent" suggested by the other answerer. "
+4
2 hrs
Kaori Myatt
France
France
Native in Japanese
France
Japalization is more than translation
Native in: Japanese 
Works in: English to Japanese, French to Japanese, Japanese to French, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
4
Doers?
Actor sounds bit strange here...may be doer?
I think in this context, 行為者 is the people who are abusing children.
Translation could be...
All the people who abuse children has the obligation not to abuse any of them.
I think in this context, 行為者 is the people who are abusing children.
Translation could be...
All the people who abuse children has the obligation not to abuse any of them.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Kazuo SAWADA
: All the people seems appropriate in this instance.
2 hrs
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| agree |
tappi_k
4 hrs
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| agree |
Iyasu Nagata
6 hrs
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| agree |
mnlucht
1 day 11 hrs
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6 hrs
Japanese term (edited):
�s�҂��ׂĂ��q�ǂ�S���ɑ��ĕ����Ă���
Those who are involved/action takers
As you pointed out, 行為者 is really an awkward choice of word. However I do not have enough context to say this is wrong. It sounds like some psychology-specific term which I am not aware of.
If not, I doubt very much there is one boiler plate 定訳 for this. Other translation could be -- broadly put -- action taker(s) or "surroundings". See it fits.
If not, I doubt very much there is one boiler plate 定訳 for this. Other translation could be -- broadly put -- action taker(s) or "surroundings". See it fits.
+1
18 hrs
Japanese term (edited):
�s�҂��ׂĂ��q�ǂ�S���ɑ��ĕ����Ă���
perpetrators (of abuse)
All Japanese letters on this page are Mojibake on my screen :(
For this reason, my answer here is based only from the "行為者すべてが子ども全員に対して負っている" on the KudoZ main page, and English discussions on this page.
行為者 sounds like "perpetrators (of abuse)" depending on the context.
...the whole phrase would be something like:
"All perpetrators (of abuse) are obligated to all children not to repeat the crime."
"All perpetrators (of abuse) owe all children to recompense the damages they have caused to the victims."
etc.
Good luck.
The phrase
perpetrators (of abuse)
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Note added at 18 hrs 48 mins (2005-04-18 03:35:14 GMT)
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Please ignore
¥"The phrase
perpetrators (of abuse)¥"
at the end. Sorry.
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Note added at 2 days 11 hrs 52 mins (2005-04-19 20:39:33 GMT)
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Kurt-san, maybe too late, but I found this site today ... by chance :)
http://www2.educ.fukushima-u.ac.jp/‾miura/WebAE/WebAE/Bourdieu/Bourdieu04.html
According to this site, 行為者＝Agent.
For this reason, my answer here is based only from the "行為者すべてが子ども全員に対して負っている" on the KudoZ main page, and English discussions on this page.
行為者 sounds like "perpetrators (of abuse)" depending on the context.
...the whole phrase would be something like:
"All perpetrators (of abuse) are obligated to all children not to repeat the crime."
"All perpetrators (of abuse) owe all children to recompense the damages they have caused to the victims."
etc.
Good luck.
The phrase
perpetrators (of abuse)
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Note added at 18 hrs 48 mins (2005-04-18 03:35:14 GMT)
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Please ignore
¥"The phrase
perpetrators (of abuse)¥"
at the end. Sorry.
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Note added at 2 days 11 hrs 52 mins (2005-04-19 20:39:33 GMT)
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Kurt-san, maybe too late, but I found this site today ... by chance :)
http://www2.educ.fukushima-u.ac.jp/‾miura/WebAE/WebAE/Bourdieu/Bourdieu04.html
According to this site, 行為者＝Agent.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Ian Laidlaw (X)
2 hrs
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