Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
Кто мы; интеллигенция или образованщина ?
English translation:
Who are we: intellectuals or (just)"degreed" (or 'educated')
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
Mar 16, 2004 04:43
20 yrs ago
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Кто мы; интеллигенция или образованщина ?
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Who are we: intellectuals or (just)"degreed" (or 'educated')
If we have "or" there has to be a contradiction. There is NO contradiction between "intelligentsia" and "academia" (or I do not see it).
Intelligetsia was supposed to be very well educated (so 'academia' "does not ring such a bell").
Intelligetsia was supposed to be very well educated (so 'academia' "does not ring such a bell").
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shlepakoff
: Yes, and there can also be some wordplay on "degreed" v. (those who have) "disagreed", to point to the dissent that intelligentsia is typically associated with.
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спасибо
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Alena Hanimar
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благодарю
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Maya Gorgoshidze
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спасибо, Майя
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Sergey Strakhov
: ну так хотя бы ближе по смыслу, хотя полного соответствия все же нет..
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Jack Doughty
: Also with Sergey.
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GaryG
: one definition of образованщина I have is "people with schooling, but unchanged by it"
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Mark Vaintroub
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kire (X)
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Dorene Cornwell
: This discussion makes me think of US Feminist wordsmith Mary Daly's term Academentia
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Who are we? Intellectuals or a parody of education?
This is version. In my opinion it is not too offensive.
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Who are we - the intelligentsia or the academia?
VARIANTS:
-what are we - intelligent or educated?
-are we intelligent or book-smart?
-Do we have the knowledge or did we go to college?
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Note added at 9 mins (2004-03-16 04:53:24 GMT)
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I do of course realize that English terms \"intelligentsia\" and \"academia\" refer to a much narrower idea than the Russian \"интеллигенция\" и \"образованщина\" do.
-what are we - intelligent or educated?
-are we intelligent or book-smart?
-Do we have the knowledge or did we go to college?
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Note added at 9 mins (2004-03-16 04:53:24 GMT)
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I do of course realize that English terms \"intelligentsia\" and \"academia\" refer to a much narrower idea than the Russian \"интеллигенция\" и \"образованщина\" do.
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Dorene Cornwell
: I like your third version, but maybe it's a tad too informal
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You are right Dorene, however, I would not call "образованщина " formal, either.
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What are we -- the intelligentsia or just a bunch of degree-holders
I feel strongly that "what" is more effective in Enlish that "who" in this case. And this "bunch of..." is the common continuation of this ironic challenge.
Examples
What are we, a bunch of 14-year-olds??
http://www.kenlayne.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=297...
what are we? A bunch of TV watching wimps?
http://members.iinet.net.au/~lford1/philos.htm
What are we? A bunch of modern John Henrys?
http://archive.salon.com/health/sex/urge//world/2000/03/28/b...
Examples
What are we, a bunch of 14-year-olds??
http://www.kenlayne.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=297...
what are we? A bunch of TV watching wimps?
http://members.iinet.net.au/~lford1/philos.htm
What are we? A bunch of modern John Henrys?
http://archive.salon.com/health/sex/urge//world/2000/03/28/b...
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Mariya Almeida
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Thanks.
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Yakov Tomara
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Thanks.
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kire (X)
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Thank you.
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Сергей Лузан
: Conveys Solzhenitsyn's idea better so far :)
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