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погребения Сарматов
урегулирование взаимозачетов
Jan 19, 2009 13:24
15 yrs ago
Russian term

городище

Russian to English Other Archaeology
Среди многочисленных археологических памятников края особую культурную ценность представляют погребения сарматов и городище столицы Золотой Орды
Proposed translations (English)
4 site
5 fort/encampment
4 +1 hillfort
4 -1 hamlet

Discussion

Alexandra Taggart Jan 20, 2009:
"Ancient city site" ( on behalf of Mr Ryshow ) could do. But in Russian "городище"(город) - is a prototype of an ancient city, it refers to those times when the cities just started to appear at the dawn of Mongol power in Eurasia.
Alexandra Taggart Jan 20, 2009:
If you would put "site settlement" then you should specify and one single word would turn into a long description:"...with the ruins of a fortress, with the remnants of the dwellers houses, with the workshop or market places, stables and so on".
Adieu Jan 20, 2009:
Thank you, Dahl! Hence, in this case, according to your source: fort or encampment =) As this IS the capital of the Golden Horde in question here...
Alexandra Taggart Jan 20, 2009:
Wikipedia,Cловарь Даля:Городища, городище м. увелич. город;
|| ср. остатки развалин города, селения или укрепления, земляных или каменных работ, жилья.
Adieu Jan 19, 2009:
Why do I figure that you will get a happy from knowing that I have long since moved back to Moscow, and simply never got around to changing my profile? While I like a rant about the evils of Muscovites as much as any other bloke, how about returning this subverted topic to its rightful owner? As I recall, there was something about Sarmatians and the Golden Horde... Somewhere. A while ago =)
Alexandra Taggart Jan 19, 2009:
I've forgotten to add: at the other side of the pond.
Alexandra Taggart Jan 19, 2009:
Some people become adults in their late age. Someone - never.
Adieu Jan 19, 2009:
What source are you even pointing out to me? The Rediscovering Armenia Guidebook?! Linguistic sources are to come from qualified language professionals and native language publications, not translations of tourist guidebooks to countries that have no connection to the language in question.
Adieu Jan 19, 2009:
Again - it is just what you searched for, but there are NO MATCHES. Learn to use a search engine. And quit flooding and trolling a professional forum. Your own translator profile contains a volume of spelling errors in the first couple of sentences. Membership in a professional organization, unfortunately, does not yet make you a professional.
Alexandra Taggart Jan 19, 2009:
All right, "fortresess of hamlets in the Bronze age":http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hamlet fortress late br...
Adieu Jan 19, 2009:
Alexondra, your google link does not bring up any matches relevant to the topic at hand. Try reading the first ten and find anything relating to ancient cities. In any case, prototypes are prototypes, while the subject at hand is the CAPITAL of the GOLDEN HORDE.
Adieu Jan 19, 2009:
PPS "A town is a type of settlement ranging from a few to several thousand (occasionally hundreds of thousands) inhabitants" (wikipedia, "town")
Alexandra Taggart Jan 19, 2009:
Then only God may convince:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=prototype of the city h...
Adieu Jan 19, 2009:
Furthermore, your next source refers to LIKELY (PROBABLE) permanent STONE AGE residents, and people living in the area (read: general vicinity). The capital of the Golden Horde, on the other hand, was an iron age/medieval ADMINISTRATIVE CENTRE.
Adieu Jan 19, 2009:
PS in your sources, where a 'town' is mentioned, this is a United States source, where 'town' is the equivalent of "село" (in the zoning/administrative sense, as seen in passports, not necessary a farming community), and anything with 10,000 or so people is called a 'city'
Alexandra Taggart Jan 19, 2009:
The London Borough of Tower Hamlets as we know it today came into being in 1965. It was the result of merging three smaller boroughs, Bethnal Green, Poplar, and Stepney into one large unit.
There were people living in the area for centuries, long before the Romans came. It is not known if this was a permanent stone age settlement or not. The soil though, would have been ideal for farming and so makes it more than likely that they were actually local residents.
Adieu Jan 19, 2009:
See "TOO SMALL TO BE A VILLAGE"
Adieu Jan 19, 2009:
Obviously, as a camp site is the prototype for a village, so a village is a prototype for a city, which itself is a prototype for a metropolis, which itself is a prototype for an agglomeration.

"A hamlet is (usually) a rural community — that is, a small settlement — which is too small to be considered a village. The name comes from the diminutive of a Germanic word for an enclosed piece of land or pasture." (Wikipedia, 'hamlet', disambiguation 'hamlet (place)')
Alexandra Taggart Jan 19, 2009:
http://pleasantvalley-ny.gov/history/
Alexandra Taggart Jan 19, 2009:
"hamlet" is a prototype of the city:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Roman town history haml...

Proposed translations

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site

ite of ancient settlement / town

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Note added at 2 мин (2009-01-19 13:26:20 GMT)
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т.е. site of ancient settlement / town

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Note added at 3 мин (2009-01-19 13:27:27 GMT)
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можно ancient settlement

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Note added at 3 мин (2009-01-19 13:27:48 GMT)
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Ganja Site of Ancient Settlement
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Rurik a site of ancient settlement. Lady day church on the Site of ancient settlement, ruins. See in Google Earth · Previous user photo Next user photo ...
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Note added at 10 мин (2009-01-19 13:35:06 GMT)
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remains - развалины, остатки
Note from asker:
remains тут будет ошибкой?
Peer comment(s):
agree Aleksey Chervinskiy
6 hrs
disagree Adieu : a site is something smaller in scale and far behind in development (as in camp site) or a location (as in the coordinates thereof)
7 hrs
neutral Alexandra Taggart : You are right. But " settlement site" is a purely archeological term. It could be any type of settlement.
18 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks a lot"
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3 hrs

hamlet

Or "ancient hamlet":http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ancient hamlet&btnG=Goo...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2009-01-19 17:15:14 GMT)
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Many small towns in England have "HAM" in their names: Borehamwood, Westham, Walsingham, Birmingham, county of Hampshire and so on.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2009-01-19 18:47:03 GMT)
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Would be something like "Tse-whit-zen" at the other side of the pond.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Adieu : a hamlet is a type of village (хутор in Russian); PS and a group of chalets would be a type of ...? Fill in the blank, starts with a 'v'
3 hrs
"хутор" - is a group of chalets in a desolate place (could be - steppe, could be - woodland).
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7 hrs

fort/encampment

depends on the fortifications present, with fort being better defended (and fortress if it was something much grander than to be expected of a nomadic peoples)
Peer comment(s):
agree Alexander Kondorsky : Exactly! http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=городище&stype=image
9 hrs
Thank you
disagree Alexandra Taggart : "Fort/encampment" is not a dwelling place for civilians but for the soldiers.It is an outpost for the military and has nothing to do with the settlement except protecting it.
9 hrs
You HAVE heard of the Mongol Hordes?
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+1
1 day 1 hr

hillfort

See Arkheologicheskii Slovar' , Progress, Moscow, 1990. A translation of A Dictionary of Archaeology, Warwick Bray and David Trump, Penguin Press, 1970, which gives the English and Russian terms and the explanations in Russian

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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2009-01-20 14:35:47 GMT) Post-grading
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It can also be found in Arkheologicheskii Slovar', G. N. Matyushin, Moscow, Prosveshchenie, 1996
Peer comment(s):
agree DTSM
411 days
Thank you, Dimak!
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