Feb 23, 2019 10:40
5 yrs ago
French term

sur tout ce que ce monde compte de brutes

Non-PRO French to English Art/Literary General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters In A Film Synopsis
Contexte:

L’auteure d’« Harry Potter » louait l’esprit rebelle, le courage, l’humour et l’irrévérence dont
elles étaient l’expression, tout en remarquant à quel point ces lettres offraient de leur auteure une
image bien plus complète que ses autobiographies. On l'y voit souvent aux prises avec les
opinions et les caprices de ses sœurs, et tirer à boulets rouges sur tout ce que ce monde compte
de brutes. Rowling sait reconnaître un livre palpitant quand elle en croise un: la correspondance
de Jessica Mitford est proprement fascinante

Merci,

Barbara
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Feb 23, 2019 12:17: Rachel Fell changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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Non-PRO (3): Carol Gullidge, Jennifer White, Rachel Fell

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Proposed translations

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7 mins
Selected

against this world's bullies

Suggestion

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Note added at 8 mins (2019-02-23 10:48:57 GMT)
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http://books.google.pt/books?id=ikCxCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA185&lpg=PA...
Example sentence:

Son, it is all too easy to let this world's bullies puncture your pride, set you on a wild-goose chase of doing whatever crazy thing it takes to “show them.” Don't be a hamster on that wheel. We real men ...

Indeed you have put yourself there, for Tolkien himself called this world's bullies who detest life in its infinite variety “orcs.”

Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : I think the idea is right, but it would probably be more natural in EN to say "the bullies of this world"; your word order tends to imply "of this world, rather then of some other..." (shifts the emphasis onto 'world')
25 mins
Thank you!
neutral Thomas Miles : Strongly in favour of 'bullies' (in view of the school context), but I do also feel that 'against all the bullies in/of this world' would be a good refinement.
50 mins
Thank you!
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : "agaisnt the bullies of this world" (Tony M)
1 hr
Thank you, Nikki!
agree Ph_B (X) : "bullies" is indeed the word used in the original article in English, though the rest of the sentence is different.
6 hrs
Thank you, ph_B!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+1
1 hr

all the brutes to be found in the world

Just another suggestion.
I would contend that if a 'bully' is a 'brute' , a 'brute' is not necessarily a 'bully'.
'Brute' in French : see definition B here:http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/brute
I think nevertheless that Tony M's rewording above would be fine,even if I am not happy about bully.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Nikki Scott-Despaigne : IMHO, "bully" is the most faithful. CNTRL ref is good (subst. fém.): "B.− Au fig. Personne dont le comportement (violence, sensualité effrénée), le manque d'intelligence et de culture, l'absence de sensibilité et de règles morales font penser à un animal"
8 mins
Precisely the ref. I chose to justify brute. I'm not arguing necessarily against bully but the context given does not IMO clearly justify the more restricted term of bully. Thanks for your comments Nikki :-)
agree Yvonne Gallagher : why not? Brutish behaviour is not confined to schoolyards. (Though it's wrong to liken such people to animals imo!)
3 hrs
Well exactly! As I said the 2 terms are not interchangeable; brute is more general. I see no reference to a school in the original text. It is about JK Rowling writing about the letters of J. Mitford...Thanks Yvonne :-)
neutral Ph_B (X) : or the bullies to be found in a flipping newspaper article :-)
5 hrs
Sigh.... :-) Well that's me told! Thanks for your reference below!
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Reference comments

6 hrs
Reference:

bullies, wherever she found them

"Rowling praised the rebelliousness, bravery, humour and irreverence of the letters, while noting how Mitford's correspondence provided a much fuller picture of the writer than her autobiographies, "as letters usually do". Much of it battled against the opinions and caprices of her sisters, and displayed unrelenting fire against bullies wherever she found them."

Simon Garfield: "in praise of the letter", The Guardian, 25th October 2013

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/oct/25/simon-garfield...

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Note added at 6 hrs (2019-02-23 17:01:38 GMT)
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Sorry, the ref should read: The Guardian, 25th October 2013

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Note added at 6 hrs (2019-02-23 17:05:17 GMT)
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And now I realize I inserted a comma where there should be none. Oh dear.
Note from asker:
Thank you very much!
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Tony M : Well found! Surprising how a little elementary research can bear fruit!
17 mins
agree katsy : well, there we are then!!
32 mins
agree Victoria Britten
17 hrs
agree Yvonne Gallagher
1 day 1 hr
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