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dikenli çalı

English translation: thornbush

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Turkish term or phrase:dikenli çalı
English translation:thornbush
Entered by: Cagdas Karatas

14:07 Oct 19, 2008
Turkish to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Music / Turkish Classical Music
Turkish term or phrase: dikenli çalı
Hi,

"Gülü yetiştlrir dikenli çalı" comes from an Aşık Veysel song, the rest of which I'll append.

My problem: çalı is "gorse", isn't it? So how could a rose grow on gorse?

It is true that the cognate Persian word "gul" means "flower" in general (mohammadi is used specifically for roses), but I thought that the word was always "rose" in Turkish.

Many thanks,

Simon

Anlatmam Derdimi

Anlatamam derdimi dertsiz insana
Dert çekmeyen dert kıymetin bilemez
Derdim bana derman (strength, power, energy; remedy, cure) imiş bilmedim
Hiçbir zaman gül dikensiz olamaz
Olamaz aman aman olamaz aman ey

Gülü yetiştlrir dikenli çalı
Arı her çiçekten yapıyor balı
Kişi sabır ile bulur kemali
Sabretmeyen maksudunu bulamaz
Bulamaz aman aman bulamaz aman ey

Ah çeker aşıklar ağlar zarınan
Yüce dağlar şöhret bulmuş karınan
Çağlar deli gönül ırmaklarınan
Ağlar ağlar göz yaşını silemez
Silemez aman aman silemez aman ey

Veysel günler geçti yaş altmış oldu
Döküldü yaprağım güllerim soldu
Gemi yükün aldı gam ilen doldu
Harekete kimse mani olamaz
Olamaz aman aman olamaz aman ey
SeiTT
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:24
thornbush
Explanation:
Any of various shrubs or bushes having thorns or spines.

There is an allusion to emergence of a beauty (rose) out of something considered worthless or wild (thornbush).
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Cagdas Karatas
Türkiye
Local time: 17:24
Grading comment
many thanks all clear now
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +3thornbush
Cagdas Karatas
5prickly bush
Selcuk Akyuz


  

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25 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
prickly bush


Explanation:
Rose is in fact a prickly bush.

Selcuk Akyuz
Türkiye
Local time: 17:24
Native speaker of: Turkish
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
thornbush


Explanation:
Any of various shrubs or bushes having thorns or spines.

There is an allusion to emergence of a beauty (rose) out of something considered worthless or wild (thornbush).

Cagdas Karatas
Türkiye
Local time: 17:24
Native speaker of: Turkish
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
many thanks all clear now

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ali Bayraktar
34 mins
  -> Teşekkür ederim
agree  haticeo
8 hrs
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agree  Tim Drayton: I agree with your interpretation.
19 hrs
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