Iustum et tenacem propositi virum, si fractus inlabitur orbis, impavidum ferient

English translation: The man who is just and resolute, if the world should crack and fall upon him, its ruins would...

23:38 Aug 12, 2010
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Latin term or phrase: Iustum et tenacem propositi virum, si fractus inlabitur orbis, impavidum ferient
I came across the phrase:
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum, si fractus inlabitur orbis, impavidum ferient ruinae

And I'd love to know what it means! :)
Michal Circolone
United States
Local time: 19:18
English translation:The man who is just and resolute, if the world should crack and fall upon him, its ruins would...
Explanation:
...strike him undismayed.

For the second part, see:

http://www.powys-society.org/PDFs/JCP books.pdf

For the first, see:
http://www.worldofquotes.com/author/Horace-(Quintus-Horatius...

justus et propositi tenax
: just and firm of purpose


(I studies Latin for many years, but it is rusty).

I believe it means that the just and resolute person will be able to deal with all that life brings his/her way.

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Note added at 11 hrs (2010-08-13 11:25:19 GMT)
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Sorry, typo....''studied'' instead of ''studies'' above.

Yes, the justum tenacem, virum, and impavidum are all objects of ''ferient'', which is why they are in the accusative case. The sentence could be translated as:

If the world were to crack and fall upon him, it would make the just and resolute man unafraid.
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Claire Nolan
Local time: 22:18
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3 +2The just man, steadfast of purpose,...should the world fall apart,[ruins] will strike him unafraid.
athena22
3 +2The man who is just and resolute, if the world should crack and fall upon him, its ruins would...
Claire Nolan


  

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Iustum et tenacem propositi virum, si fractus inlabitur orbis, impavidum ferient [ruinae]
The just man, steadfast of purpose,...should the world fall apart,[ruins] will strike him unafraid.


Explanation:
Here's the whole passage from the ode and one translation (from the first web URL below):


Iustum et tenacem propositi virum
non civium ardor prava iubentium,
non voltus instantis tyranni
mente quatit solida neque Auster,

dux inquieti turbidus Hadriae,
nec fulminantis magna manus Iovis:
si fractus inlabatur orbis,
impavidum ferient ruinae.

The just man who holds fast to his resolve is not shaken in the firmness of his mind by the passion of citizens demanding some injustice or by the threatening tyrant's frown, not by the wind of the south, rebellious king of the restless Adriatic, or by the mighty lightning-wielding hand of Jupiter. Should the round world break and fall about him, its ruins will strike him unafraid. (Horace, Odes 3. 3. 1-8)


    Reference: http://community.livejournal.com/linguaphiles/4646912.html
    Reference: http://www.latinlanguage.us/blog/index.php?blog=2&title=hora...
athena22
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Local time: 19:18
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Jennifer White: sentence should be turned round to make good sense. "The just man..." is the object of the verb.
5 hrs

agree  Joseph Brazauskas: But again, the conditional clause is logical, not ideal.
14 days

agree  slađana milinković: Bravo Athena22
75 days
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
The man who is just and resolute, if the world should crack and fall upon him, its ruins would...


Explanation:
...strike him undismayed.

For the second part, see:

http://www.powys-society.org/PDFs/JCP books.pdf

For the first, see:
http://www.worldofquotes.com/author/Horace-(Quintus-Horatius...

justus et propositi tenax
: just and firm of purpose


(I studies Latin for many years, but it is rusty).

I believe it means that the just and resolute person will be able to deal with all that life brings his/her way.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 11 hrs (2010-08-13 11:25:19 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Sorry, typo....''studied'' instead of ''studies'' above.

Yes, the justum tenacem, virum, and impavidum are all objects of ''ferient'', which is why they are in the accusative case. The sentence could be translated as:

If the world were to crack and fall upon him, it would make the just and resolute man unafraid.

Claire Nolan
Local time: 22:18
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  athena22
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, athena22.

neutral  Jennifer White: Yes, but sentence should be turned round. The "just and resolute person" is the object here
8 hrs
  -> I added a note about this above.

agree  Joseph Brazauskas: Excellent. But you rendered 'si fractus inlabitur orbis' as if it were the protasis of an ideal condition, when it is in fact the protasis of a logical (real) condition./'Inlabitur' is a deponent verb, i.e., it has passive forms but an active meaning.
14 days
  -> Ah, so it should be ''if the world falls broken...' Present passive tense, I think?
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