honorificum quod petebat testimoni ei tribuimus John Smith doctorem sollemni

English translation: We hereby solemnly certify that we have granted John Smith the honorable (rank of) Doctor, which he has striven to achieve. (whi

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Latin term or phrase:honorificum quod petebat testimoni ei tribuimus John Smith doctorem sollemni
English translation:We hereby solemnly certify that we have granted John Smith the honorable (rank of) Doctor, which he has striven to achieve. (whi
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01:25 Oct 9, 2007
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Latin term or phrase: honorificum quod petebat testimoni ei tribuimus John Smith doctorem sollemni
faded diploma. I think where it reads "testimoni", it should be testimonium but I wrote it as is. I would appreciate nice modern rendition if anyone can offer it. Thank you.
Lota
United States
Local time: 12:17
an attempt....
Explanation:
We hereby solemnly certify that we have granted John Smith the honorable (rank of) Doctor, which he has striven to achieve. (which he has successfully achieved)

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I think it should read " ... testimonio..."

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Jennifer, I am looking through a lot of things to find an example: this might be one that is appropriate: (numbers are lines in book 1)

Lucretius, De Rerum Natura
Liber Primus

nec miserae prodesse in tali tempore quibat,
quod patrio princeps donarat nomine regem;

95
nam sublata virum manibus tremibundaque ad aras
deductast, non ut sollemni more sacrorum
perfecto posset claro comitari Hymenaeo,
sed casta inceste nubendi tempore in ipso
hostia concideret mactatu maesta parentis,
100
exitus ut classi felix faustusque daretur.
tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.


With a dumb terror and a sinking knee
She dropped; nor might avail her now that first
'Twas she who gave the king a father's name.
They raised her up, they bore the trembling girl
On to the altar- hither led not now
With solemn rites and hymeneal choir,
But sinless woman, sinfully foredone,
A parent felled her on her bridal day,
Making his child a sacrificial beast
To give the ships auspicious winds for Troy:
Such are the crimes to which Religion leads.

Perseus/Tufts dictionary gives the explanation of
"sollemne: a religious rite, ceremony, feast, sacrifice, solemn games, festival, solemnity" ( a noun)
Entry in Lewis & Short or Elem. Lewis
sollemnî neut abl sg
sollemnî neut dat sg
It is also listed as an adjective: solemnis(-ennis, -empnis),e, adj. and think that in your expression, the word is an adjective in sing. neut. ablative modifying "testimoni(o)."

Hope this helps and I appreciate any help from colleagues...




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Gaius, Institutes of Roman Law [160 AD]
About the Author: Gaius 130 AD - 180 AD
Gaius was a Roman jurist whose writings became authoritative legal texts during the late Roman Empire. Gaius made one of the first systematic collections and analyses of Roman law dealing with the legal status of persons (slaves, free persons, and citizens), property rights, contracts, and various legal actions.
Edition used: Gai Institutiones or Institutes of Roman Law by Gaius, with a Translation and Commentary by the late Edward Poste, M.A. Fourth edition, revised and enlarged by E.A. Whittuck, M.A. B.C.L., with an historical introduction by A.H.J. Greenidge, D.Litt. (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1904).
Online Library of Liberty - Institutes of Roman Law
§ 116. 〈Sed〉 ante omnia requirendum est, an institutio heredis sollemni more facta sit; nam aliter facta institutione nihil proficit familiam testatoris ita uenire testesque ita adhibere et ita nuncupare testamentum, ut supra diximus.
Above, “sollemni” is abl. sing. masculine modifying “more”
§ 116. Above all things, we must observe whether the institution of an heir was in solemn form; for if the institution of an heir was not in the prescribed form, it is unavailing that the mancipation, attestation, nuncupation, were regular.

The Project Gutenberg eBook of A Short History Of Women's Rights ...
... et sollemni sacrificio facto, in quo panis quoque farreus adhibetur. ...... www.gutenberg.org/files/11672/11672-h/11672-h.htm - 600k - Cached


Another example of sollemni, again in the ablative, singular, neuter (with sacrificio)
By confarreatio—a solemn marriage with peculiar sacred rites to qualify men and women and their children for certain priesthoods[29]; Ulpian, Tit., ix, 1: Farreo convenit uxor in manum certis verbis et testibus X praesentibus et sollemni sacrificio facto, in quo panis quoque farreus adhibetur. Cf. Gaius, i, 112.

Hope this helps..it's clearly not a word that comes up often in the singular.




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Explanation:
We hereby solemnly certify that we have granted John Smith the honorable (rank of) Doctor, which he has striven to achieve. (which he has successfully achieved)

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Note added at 4 hrs (2007-10-09 05:40:29 GMT)
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I think it should read " ... testimonio..."

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Note added at 21 hrs (2007-10-09 23:22:55 GMT)
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Jennifer, I am looking through a lot of things to find an example: this might be one that is appropriate: (numbers are lines in book 1)

Lucretius, De Rerum Natura
Liber Primus

nec miserae prodesse in tali tempore quibat,
quod patrio princeps donarat nomine regem;

95
nam sublata virum manibus tremibundaque ad aras
deductast, non ut sollemni more sacrorum
perfecto posset claro comitari Hymenaeo,
sed casta inceste nubendi tempore in ipso
hostia concideret mactatu maesta parentis,
100
exitus ut classi felix faustusque daretur.
tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.


With a dumb terror and a sinking knee
She dropped; nor might avail her now that first
'Twas she who gave the king a father's name.
They raised her up, they bore the trembling girl
On to the altar- hither led not now
With solemn rites and hymeneal choir,
But sinless woman, sinfully foredone,
A parent felled her on her bridal day,
Making his child a sacrificial beast
To give the ships auspicious winds for Troy:
Such are the crimes to which Religion leads.

Perseus/Tufts dictionary gives the explanation of
"sollemne: a religious rite, ceremony, feast, sacrifice, solemn games, festival, solemnity" ( a noun)
Entry in Lewis & Short or Elem. Lewis
sollemnî neut abl sg
sollemnî neut dat sg
It is also listed as an adjective: solemnis(-ennis, -empnis),e, adj. and think that in your expression, the word is an adjective in sing. neut. ablative modifying "testimoni(o)."

Hope this helps and I appreciate any help from colleagues...




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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2007-10-10 04:26:51 GMT)
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Gaius, Institutes of Roman Law [160 AD]
About the Author: Gaius 130 AD - 180 AD
Gaius was a Roman jurist whose writings became authoritative legal texts during the late Roman Empire. Gaius made one of the first systematic collections and analyses of Roman law dealing with the legal status of persons (slaves, free persons, and citizens), property rights, contracts, and various legal actions.
Edition used: Gai Institutiones or Institutes of Roman Law by Gaius, with a Translation and Commentary by the late Edward Poste, M.A. Fourth edition, revised and enlarged by E.A. Whittuck, M.A. B.C.L., with an historical introduction by A.H.J. Greenidge, D.Litt. (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1904).
Online Library of Liberty - Institutes of Roman Law
§ 116. 〈Sed〉 ante omnia requirendum est, an institutio heredis sollemni more facta sit; nam aliter facta institutione nihil proficit familiam testatoris ita uenire testesque ita adhibere et ita nuncupare testamentum, ut supra diximus.
Above, “sollemni” is abl. sing. masculine modifying “more”
§ 116. Above all things, we must observe whether the institution of an heir was in solemn form; for if the institution of an heir was not in the prescribed form, it is unavailing that the mancipation, attestation, nuncupation, were regular.

The Project Gutenberg eBook of A Short History Of Women's Rights ...
... et sollemni sacrificio facto, in quo panis quoque farreus adhibetur. ...... www.gutenberg.org/files/11672/11672-h/11672-h.htm - 600k - Cached


Another example of sollemni, again in the ablative, singular, neuter (with sacrificio)
By confarreatio—a solemn marriage with peculiar sacred rites to qualify men and women and their children for certain priesthoods[29]; Ulpian, Tit., ix, 1: Farreo convenit uxor in manum certis verbis et testibus X praesentibus et sollemni sacrificio facto, in quo panis quoque farreus adhibetur. Cf. Gaius, i, 112.

Hope this helps..it's clearly not a word that comes up often in the singular.






Brigitte Albert (X)
Local time: 15:17
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Thank you so very much. I cobbled together a comprehensible sentence and you helped a great deal! Thanks.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jennifer White: You HAVE worked hard! In my dat ablative sing. of 3rd declension adjectives ended in e. Thanks for all this interesting info.
2 hrs
  -> Thanks Jennifer. I think it is an ablative singular neutral with "testimoni(o); ablative of manner. That would be my interpretation.
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