Gelbsteinnebelung

English translation: Self concealing smoke screen

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German term or phrase:Selbsteinnebelung
English translation:Self concealing smoke screen
Entered by: sparta1978

01:15 Jun 12, 2020
German to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Military / Defense / Tank tactics, panzer warfare.
German term or phrase: Gelbsteinnebelung
(Gelbsteinnebelung sowie Einnebelung des Gegners durch Panzer IV.)

German WWII tank documents. Paragraph is talking about mine warfare, and tanks hitting mines, and using smoke and reversing as a good maneuver.
sparta1978
Local time: 12:12
(self-generated) smoke screen
Explanation:
Nothing to do with the yellow stuff

P302: https://www.bundesheer.at/info_werbematerial/soldat/pdf/sold...

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Alternatively smoke launcher / smoke discharge(r)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/archive/index.php/t-36966.htm...

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aka Nebelkerzenabwurfvorrichtung (smoke candle dropping device)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/4mw459/what_is_...
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Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:12
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Summary of answers provided
3 +4(self-generated) smoke screen
Lancashireman
3self-shrouding /concealing smoke (screen)
Chris Pr


Discussion entries: 5





  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
Selbsteinnebelung
(self-generated) smoke screen


Explanation:
Nothing to do with the yellow stuff

P302: https://www.bundesheer.at/info_werbematerial/soldat/pdf/sold...

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Note added at 1 hr (2020-06-12 02:18:16 GMT)
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Alternatively smoke launcher / smoke discharge(r)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/archive/index.php/t-36966.htm...

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Note added at 1 hr (2020-06-12 02:20:32 GMT)
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aka Nebelkerzenabwurfvorrichtung (smoke candle dropping device)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/4mw459/what_is_...

Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:12
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 90
Notes to answerer
Asker: You and Chris worked to give good answers. Thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Adrian MM.: you beat me to it: „Die Nebelwurfanlage ermöglicht durch Verschießen von Nebelwurfkörpern die Selbsteinnebelung des Kampfpanzers, um ihn erforderlichenfalls rasch der Feindsicht zu entziehen.“ // And complains about others being 'out of their depth'
16 mins
  -> Thanks. The other contributor seems to have removed his original suggestion (sulphuric-yellow smoke) and come up with a rephrase.

agree  Catriona C.
5 hrs

neutral  Chris Pr: smoke launcher / candle dropper...? are you sure about this...?
13 hrs
  -> Certainly more sure than your first suggestion - since hidden - that this was something to do with sulphur (Gelbstein). Hilarious!

agree  Ramey Rieger (X): Blowing hot and cold?
13 hrs
  -> Just hot at the moment

agree  Clive Phillips
15 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Selbsteinnebelung
self-shrouding /concealing smoke (screen)


Explanation:
To mean a shrouding of one's own troops from the enemy...

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"Während des Feuerkampfes kann die Verwendung der Mehrfachwurfanlage zur Selbsteinnebelung des Schützenpanzers notwendig sein."
https://www.virtuelle-panzergrenadierbrigade37.de/index.php/...

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"A smoke grenade is a canister-type grenade used as a signaling device, target or landing zone marking device, or as a screening device for unit movements."
"...comes from the military usage of smoke grenades to obscure and conceal movement."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_grenade

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Self-shrouding, -concealing, -screening, -obscuring... and so on.

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From the same Wikipedia link above:
"Smoke grenades are used for several purposes. The primary use is the creation of smoke screens for concealment and the signalling of aircraft."

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To my mind, at least, the phrase reads more like:

'Selbsteinnebelung sowie Einnebelung des Gegners....'

"Self-concealing as well as enemy-shrouding smoke screens..". (or similar{

But others obviously don't appear to see it that way... :)

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In other words, the actual purpose of the smoke screens rather than how, or with which equipment, they are created...
But, yes, a bit different to yellow smoke...

Chris Pr
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:12
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
Notes to answerer
Asker: Good try Chris. It gave me a lot of trouble as it was in Gothic and I misread it.

Asker: Your second answer is strong. Good job sticking with it.

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