in die Tiefe scheren

English translation: to slide the knot down the thread without snagging

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German term or phrase:	in die Tiefe scheren
English translation:	to slide the knot down the thread without snagging
Entered by:	Bettina Grieser Johns

15:15 Jul 13, 2019

German to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Materials (Plastics, Ceramics, etc.) / Materialprüfung

German term or phrase: in die Tiefe scheren

Es geht um die Materialprüfung von Garn und/oder Fäden, genauer um den "Knotengleittest". Der Satz lautet:

Ein einfach gelegter Knoten muss ohne zu haken in die Tiefe zu scheren sein.

Mir ist nicht ganz klar, was mit "in die Tiefe zu scheren" bedeutet. Vorerst habe ich es so übersetzt:

It must be possible to slide a single knot down without snagging.

I'm having problems with this, not least because, surely, a knot is not supposed to just slide! Anyone got any suggestions? Danke für Eure Hilfe, wie immer!

Bettina Grieser Johns KudoZ activity Questions: 200 (1 open) (8 without valid answers) (6 closed without grading) Answers: 26 United Kingdom
Local time: 15:01

fold/submerge/glide (tightly) into/embed itself in the thread/fiber(fibre) without snagging

Explanation:
They mean the knot should embed itself into the fibers smoothly. so, when you untie the knot, you will see indentions in the fibers

Selected response from:

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 16:01

Grading comment

Thanks to everybody for their help, especially Ramey who encouraged me to keep digging and wait and to Kim who provided the final reference - I couldn't have done it without you two. As Kim didn't provide an answer as such, I'll award the points to Ramey. What I went with in the end was "It must be possible to slide a single knot down the thread without snagging." and I called the test a "knot tie-down test", which isn't very elegant but closest, I think. I've asked the client but so far got no answers. Thanks again!
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Summary of answers provided

5 -1

clip something down there

Cillie Swart

fold/submerge/glide (tightly) into/embed itself in the thread/fiber(fibre) without snagging

Ramey Rieger (X)

Summary of reference entries provided

Info

Kim Metzger

Discussion entries: 13

Bettina Grieser Johns

United Kingdom

ASKER

@Kim

19:38 Jul 14, 2019

Great reference, thank you, Kim! Especially the second one throws a different light on "in die Tiefe scheren" I think.

Bettina Grieser Johns

United Kingdom

ASKER

09:25 Jul 14, 2019

Thank you! Have a nice rest of the weekend!

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

Good luck

09:12 Jul 14, 2019

to you, Bettina.

Bettina Grieser Johns

United Kingdom

ASKER

07:57 Jul 14, 2019

Thank you! I'll get ask the client tomorrow.

Mair A-W (PhD)

Germany

07:48 Jul 14, 2019

I don't know any more or how to answer your question I'm afraid! Good luck!

Bettina Grieser Johns

United Kingdom

ASKER

Good morning, Ramey

07:33 Jul 14, 2019

I can tomorrow - they are not available at the weekend. Thanks for your further thoughts on this.

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

Good morning Bettina

07:13 Jul 14, 2019

I THINK it could apply just as well. There's some talk about "inside or outside the repair" but that seems to apply to the wound and not to the thread itself. When you open a knot, any knot, the indentions are the same and look like and 'X'. Can you ask the client for an appropriate reference?

Bettina Grieser Johns

United Kingdom

ASKER

@Mair and Ramey

06:39 Jul 14, 2019

Thanks - these references are a great help and I've found more, searching the way you suggested. However, I still don't understand what the in die Tiefe scheren means in this context, especially as in the references, it is all about preventing the knot from slipping. Does this mean Ramey's suggestion is still correct? I just don't know enough about sutures.

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

Sutures?

19:49 Jul 13, 2019

Well, that's a thread of a different color. I'm confused, too. Wait for the good researchers, Bettina. Mair's already here.

Mair A-W (PhD)

Germany

18:51 Jul 13, 2019

well, if you start searching terms like suture thread knot test, you get results like: https://www.massdevice.com/suture-tensile-strength-test/ and https://www.joms.org/article/S0278-2391(16)00167-1/pdf which suggests you're on the right path ...

Bettina Grieser Johns

United Kingdom

ASKER

17:27 Jul 13, 2019

Although the word "suture" hasn't appeared anywhere, I think we're talking suture material here, not thread for sewing. Does this make more or less sense? I am thoroughly confused!

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

Hi Bettina

15:34 Jul 13, 2019

My pleasure!

Bettina Grieser Johns

United Kingdom

ASKER

@Ramey

15:29 Jul 13, 2019

Danke, Ramey, darauf wäre ich alleine nie gekommen!

Answers

10 mins confidence:

fold/submerge/glide (tightly) into/embed itself in the thread/fiber(fibre) without snagging

Explanation:
They mean the knot should embed itself into the fibers smoothly. so, when you untie the knot, you will see indentions in the fibers

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 16:01
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 10

Grading comment

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

clip something down there

Explanation:
its about the knot causing the rope to clip something when it is being let down or is down where it is going. Great question!

https://translate.google.co.za/?hl=af#view=home&op=translate&sl=de&tl=en&text=Ein%20einfach%20gelegter%20Knoten%20muss%20ohne%20zu%20haken%2
https://www.linguee.com/english-german/search?source=auto&query=in+die+Tiefe+scheren

Cillie Swart
South Africa
Local time: 16:01
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Reference comments

1 day 2 hrs peer agreement (net): +1

Reference: Info

Reference information:
Gleiteigenschaften - sliding properties https://context.reverso.net/translation/english-german/good ...

PTFE has a very low friction coefficient. The sliding properties can be compared with wet ice on wet ice. Another characteristic of this plastic is the fact that the sliding friction is exactly equal to the static friction. This explains why the transition from stationary to sliding motion takes place without a jerk. http://www.lenzing-plastics.com/fileadmin/user_upload/lenzin...

There are several other patented procedures and materials reported to improve either ‘knot tie-down’ performance (the ease of sliding a knot down the suture into place during knotting) or/and knot security (the ability of a knot to hold after knotting)
The smoothness of the fiber material improves the sliding of sutures through both tissue and anchors, and its abrasion resistance offers higher resistance to fraying.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/suture-materi...

Kim Metzger
Mexico
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 308

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