Oct 1, 2012 06:24
11 yrs ago
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German term
nicht selbständig
German to English
Law/Patents
Law: Taxation & Customs
Court appeal / income tax matter
Tax payer is appealing his notice of assessment.
I always translate this as "employment" as opposed to "self-employment". For example: Einkommen aus nicht-selbständiger Arbeit" as "income from gainful employment". I'm just not convinced by "non-self-employment". But I just wonder if it should be incorporated in some form in this case, as it is repeated several times, such as
Der Kläger ist nichtselbständig tätiger Koch.
Der Kl. bezieht als Koch Einkünfte aus nichtselbständiger Arbeit.
Any suggestions / views will be greatly appreciated as always.
I always translate this as "employment" as opposed to "self-employment". For example: Einkommen aus nicht-selbständiger Arbeit" as "income from gainful employment". I'm just not convinced by "non-self-employment". But I just wonder if it should be incorporated in some form in this case, as it is repeated several times, such as
Der Kläger ist nichtselbständig tätiger Koch.
Der Kl. bezieht als Koch Einkünfte aus nichtselbständiger Arbeit.
Any suggestions / views will be greatly appreciated as always.
Proposed translations
(English)
3 | employed/permanently appointed/salaried | Ramey Rieger (X) |
4 +3 | having the status of an employee | TechLawDC |
3 +3 | gainfully employed | Lis Liesicke |
4 | not self-employed | Pauline Alexiou |
4 -1 | Not independently | Salih YILDIRIM |
Proposed translations
16 mins
Selected
employed/permanently appointed/salaried
Perhaps use diverse terms?
The plaintiff is employed as a cook.
The plaintiff is a salaried cook.
The plaintiff receives his/her income from his/her permanent appointment as a cook
You could through "professional" in there, too
The plaintiff is employed as a cook.
The plaintiff is a salaried cook.
The plaintiff receives his/her income from his/her permanent appointment as a cook
You could through "professional" in there, too
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks everyone who contributed. I just felt most comfortable using this option and not over-complicating things. "
+3
14 mins
gainfully employed
the defendant is a gainfully employed chef / cook
or
is a contractually employed chef/cook
I think you can turn this around and there are enough examples of defendants being gainfully employed in the web
or
is a contractually employed chef/cook
I think you can turn this around and there are enough examples of defendants being gainfully employed in the web
Reference:
http://www.co.weld.co.us/Departments/DistrictAttorney/DiversionPrograms/index.html
http://www.azcourts.gov/ccsguide/MitigatingCircumstances/EMPLOYMENTMILITARY.aspx
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Steffen Walter
31 mins
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Thanks Steffen
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agree |
PoveyTrans (X)
49 mins
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Thanks Simon
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agree |
philgoddard
: I disagree withg your first suggestion though. I'm a freelance, and I'm gainfully employed!
6 hrs
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Thanks philgoddard - I was following Elizabeth's use of Einkommen aus nicht-selbständiger Arbeit" as "income from gainful employment" - that's why I also offered contractually employed
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-1
3 hrs
Not independently
Imho
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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-10-01 10:22:29 GMT)
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It is better to define this wod to be" self-employed"
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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-10-01 10:22:29 GMT)
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It is better to define this wod to be" self-employed"
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Cetacea
: "not independently" makes absolutely no sense in a tax context.
8 hrs
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As you say so!
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+3
5 hrs
having the status of an employee
(This is how the lawyers would express it. Longer, but still concise.)
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Note added at 5 hrs (2012-10-01 11:38:14 GMT)
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This carries the message of "as a matter of law, not self-employed".
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Note added at 5 hrs (2012-10-01 11:40:26 GMT)
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For example: Airline baggage return agents classify themselves as self-employed, to try to claim tax benefits, e.g. for pension contributions, but under the law they are employees.
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Note added at 5 hrs (2012-10-01 11:38:14 GMT)
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This carries the message of "as a matter of law, not self-employed".
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Note added at 5 hrs (2012-10-01 11:40:26 GMT)
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For example: Airline baggage return agents classify themselves as self-employed, to try to claim tax benefits, e.g. for pension contributions, but under the law they are employees.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
writeaway
: one can be gainfully employed as a self-employed person.
25 mins
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agree |
Sabine Akabayov, PhD
6 hrs
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agree |
Cetacea
7 hrs
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1 day 4 hrs
not self-employed
"Der Kläger ist nichtselbständig tätiger Koch" would be "The plaintiff is not a self-employed cook"
"Der Kl. bezieht als Koch Einkünfte aus nichtselbständiger Arbeit" would be
"The plaintiff receives a salary as a cook and is not self-employed"
or
"The plaintiff is employed as a cook and is not self-employed"
Example sentence:
The plaintiff is employed as a cook and is not self-employed.
Discussion
Entry text
Gainful employment
15010 Both employed earners and self-employed earners must be in gainful employment.
15011 An employment should be regarded as gainful if a person is
1. engaged in it with a desire, hope and intention of obtaining remuneration or profit in return for services or efforts or
2. is in fact paid for the services performed, whether or not there was any desire, hope or intention of obtaining remuneration.
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/dmgch15.pdf
and http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/uc-draft-regs-2012.pdf (Ch 2 Earned income 57. Gainful self-employment)
Definitions explained
Gainful Employment and Gainfully Employed
Working for at least 16 hours per week under a contract of employment and receiving a salary or wage.
Gainful Self Employment and Gainfully Self Employed
Working for profit for at least 16 hours per week (either alone or with others) and being liable to pay Income Tax and National Insurance Contributions.
http://www.legalandgeneral.com/library/protection/technical-...