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Substituant / Substitué

English translation: Substituting Party/Substituted Party

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French term or phrase:Substituant / Substitué
English translation:Substituting Party/Substituted Party
Entered by: elizabeth_med

14:52 Jul 8, 2020
French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Real Estate / Acte de substitution concernant une promesse de vente
French term or phrase: Substituant / Substitué
I need to translate the terms "Substituant" and "Substitué" throughout a Deed of Substitution concerning a Promise of Sale. It is a French real estate deal. The Substitué is taking over for the Substituant in the real estate transaction.

What do we call these two people (or legal entities) in English?

Example : "Dans ce contexte, les Parties se sont réunies afin de conclure le présent acte de substitution à l'effet de substituer le Substitué dans les droits et obligations du Substituant relatifs à la Promesse (l'« Acte de Substitution »).
elizabeth_med
France
Local time: 01:50
Substituting Party/Substituted Party
Explanation:
I would just say this.
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Eliza Hall
United States
Local time: 19:50
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4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +5Substituting Party/Substituted Party
Eliza Hall
3 +2(Gen) Substitutor / Substitutee (Spec.) Appointor/ Appointee (Sub-Agent)
Adrian MM.
4 -2substituted contract/original contract
Francois Boye
3 -3substitute / Substitute
Lisa Rosengard


Discussion entries: 1





  

Answers


1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
substituted contract/original contract


Explanation:
A substituted contract is an agreement between parties that were involved in a previous contract. The substituted contract replaces the original contract, completely taking its place and discharging the terms of the original agreement.


Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 19:50
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 34

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  AllegroTrans: These are people/entities, the asker has already said so
14 mins
disagree  Tony M: This is about substitution of parties to the contract
4 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
(Gen) Substitutor / Substitutee (Spec.) Appointor/ Appointee (Sub-Agent)


Explanation:
I think we need to know why there is a substitution, contract 'novation' eizj an incoming and outgoing debtor, rather than an insurance-type subrogation with a subrogor and subrogee, as there can be various agency and trustee etc. permutations and combinations.

Substitutor and substitutee might be the easy way out if the titile of Deed of Substitution is to be retained.

Promise of Sale > a Preliminary Agreement to Sell, perhaps, the parties being the prospective seller or covenantor and prospective buyer or covenantee.

Pouvoir de subsutution > power to appoint a sub-agent (Bridge).

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Note added at 1 heure (2020-07-08 16:34:52 GMT)
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eizj > e.g.

Example sentence(s):
  • A Deed of Novation is used to transfer the rights and obligations of one party under a contract to a third party, whilst the other contracting party remains the same.
  • USA: The bank must appoint a “substitute” trustee to take place of the original.

    Reference: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/law-contracts/53...
    Reference: http://www.private-rate.com/step-2-the-signing-of-the-prelim...
Adrian MM.
Austria
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 74

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans
5 mins
  -> Thanks, AT. We will wait on the US waking time difference for any Transatlantic inputs.
agree  philgoddard: Substitutor/substitutee. And I agree it would be useful to know why they're doing this, as there may be two words that are less of a mouthful.
3 hrs
  -> Thanks.. It does look like a novation: orginal creditor - outgoing debtor / buyer & incoming debtor / buyer.
neutral  Daryo: no need to guess: ... relatifs à la Promesse (de vente) IOW no "sub-agent" in this ST.
8 hrs
  -> It is you who are guessting that there is no sub-agent.
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
Substituting Party/Substituted Party


Explanation:
I would just say this.

Eliza Hall
United States
Local time: 19:50
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 40

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans: Yes, assuming they are parties and not for example, notaries or agents
27 mins
  -> Merci.
agree  Chris Pr
1 hr
  -> Merci.
agree  SafeTex
3 hrs
  -> Merci.
agree  Daryo
7 hrs
  -> Merci.
agree  Yvonne Gallagher
8 hrs
  -> Merci.
neutral  Adrian MM.: No refs. and you have, again, merely reworded my first options, plus - in the UK and Ireland - susbtituting parties is used in litigation only https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rule...
15 hrs
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1 day 7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -3
substitute / Substitute


Explanation:
discutons-immeubles
"La clause de substitution doit obligatoirement figurer dans l'avant contrat et l'ensemble des parties doivent y donner leur accord. C'est pour cela que la faculté de substitution doit être prévue spécifiquement dans le compromis de vente dans une clause attitrée. Si cette clause de substitution n'est pas expressément définie dans l'avant-contrat, le vendeur peut s'opposer à la substitution. La rédaction de la clause de substitution est en principe libre. La faculté de substituer un acquéreur à un autre dans le cadre d'un compromis de vente est obligatoirement à titre gratuit. Il n'est pas possible de déroger à ce principe."
"The substitution clause must figure obligatorily in the part which precedes contract and all the parties involved must be in agreement. For that reason the substitution facility must be specifically previewed in the sale commitment of a fixed clause. If the substitution clause is not precisely defined in the section preceding contract, the seller may oppose substitution. The drafting of the substitution clause is largely free of charge. Another has the facility to substitute one purchaser in the frame of a sale commitment written as compulsorily free of charge. It's not possible to override this principle."

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Note added at 4 days (2020-07-12 22:39:41 GMT)
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The translation from French to English of
'Substituant' / 'Substituté' looks like
'Substituting or replacing' / 'Substituted' or 'replaced'.


Example sentence(s):
  • Dans ce contexte, les Parties sont réunies afin de conclure le présent acte de substitution à l'effet de substituer le substitué dans les droits et obligations du Substituant relatifs à la Promesse (Acte de Substitution).
  • In this context the Parties involved are united in the objective of completing or carrying out the present substitution act (deed) to the effect of substituting the substitute in the rights and obligations of the Substitute relative to the Promise (act)

    Reference: http://www.discutons-immo.fr
    Reference: http://www.DeepLTranslator.com
Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:50
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: Clearly nonsense in this context: the 2 terms refer to 2 different people, and replacing them by a single term renders the whole process meaningless.
6 hrs
disagree  AllegroTrans: you have proposed the same word for two clearly different terms. Ask yourself if that could be correct. Did you even look at the previous answers? It's very hard to understand why you are continuing to post totally off-beam suggestions like this.
12 hrs
disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: Nonsense once again.
1 day 59 mins
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