surplombante

English translation: overarching

10:25 Jun 22, 2015
French to English translations [PRO]
Philosophy
French term or phrase: surplombante
From an academic text on Medieval philosophy. This part talks about Thomas Aquinas' critique of the Averroists:

"On reproche ceci :
a) la séparation substantielle de l’intellect matériel : l’intellect ne serait pas, comme le veut l’hylémorphisme d’Aristote, une « âme », forme d’un corps (ou du moins, la meilleure puissance d’une âme forme d’un corps), mais une substance, une réalité par soi, autonome et ***surplombante***, ontologiquement indépendante de ce corps."
tatyana000
Local time: 03:18
English translation:overarching
Explanation:
I think this might work, having looked into the concept a little.
Or possibly "unifying".

And these might help:
"The soul is an immaterial substance, according to Aquinas, but this does not commit him to dualism. He argues that though the soul can be considered to be an intellectual principle in its own right, and, in being the principle through which we gain knowledge of the material or sensory world, we can distinguish it from the body, nevertheless, it is so united to the body that
we say that the man knows, rather than that the soul knows (ST, I, 75, 2 and 4). As Copleston (1955, p. 155) explains in his commentary on Aquinas, the human person is not a combination of two substances, body and soul, but one substance which forms one human person."
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~pesaconf/zpdfs/55ozonlins.pdf

"According to Aquinas, a substance possessed only one form, and its matter was the essentially characterless prime matter. In other words the informed parts of an object – in the case of a living creature, its organs, and the various kinds of stuff that constituted it (in the end, quantities of earth fire air and water) did not possess their own forms, but were informed by the overall substantial form."
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aquinas/
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3 +2overriding
ormiston
3 +2overarching
Philippa Smith
3vertically embracing
Francis Marche
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More generally on Thomistic active intellect
Nikki Scott-Despaigne

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overriding


Explanation:
http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers...
Could express this definition of the role of the intellect

ormiston
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agree  Verginia Ophof
1 hr

agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: I read it this way. An idea of domination, superiority, hierarchy.
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neutral  Melissa McMahon: This is ambiguous to me, because "to override" technically means to have power of veto over something.
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overarching


Explanation:
I think this might work, having looked into the concept a little.
Or possibly "unifying".

And these might help:
"The soul is an immaterial substance, according to Aquinas, but this does not commit him to dualism. He argues that though the soul can be considered to be an intellectual principle in its own right, and, in being the principle through which we gain knowledge of the material or sensory world, we can distinguish it from the body, nevertheless, it is so united to the body that
we say that the man knows, rather than that the soul knows (ST, I, 75, 2 and 4). As Copleston (1955, p. 155) explains in his commentary on Aquinas, the human person is not a combination of two substances, body and soul, but one substance which forms one human person."
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~pesaconf/zpdfs/55ozonlins.pdf

"According to Aquinas, a substance possessed only one form, and its matter was the essentially characterless prime matter. In other words the informed parts of an object – in the case of a living creature, its organs, and the various kinds of stuff that constituted it (in the end, quantities of earth fire air and water) did not possess their own forms, but were informed by the overall substantial form."
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aquinas/

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agree  Barbara Cochran, MFA
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  -> Many thanks Barbara!

neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: Unless I've misunderstood the basic idea, this particular point in the text here is about separation and domination. Also, the choice of "overarching" seems too literal here.
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  -> Going by the texts I quote, as well as the text in question, I understand it as intellect = the "overall substantial form", and that there is an ambiguity, separate and yet not separate.

neutral  ormiston: You suggest overarching as equivalent to unifying?
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  -> No, as another option.

agree  Melissa McMahon
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vertically embracing


Explanation:
A suggestion. See my notes.

There is a strong risk to extrapolate, overtranslate or deviate when grappling with the term in this context. Staying literal can be a fair option since the term itself is surrounded by other words that fine-tune and set out the semantics and spell out the meaning intented : -- "réalité en soi", "autonome", "ontologiquement indépendante".

"Surplombante" is there for the image, to reinforce the message and therefore can be modestly translated literally.

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Reference: More generally on Thomistic active intellect

Reference information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_intellect

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