het betere lied

English translation: message songs

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Flemish term or phrase:het betere lied
English translation:message songs
Entered by: katieker

14:14 May 19, 2008
Flemish to English translations [Non-PRO]
Art/Literary - Music
Flemish term or phrase: het betere lied
"Met hun eerste cd verbaasde XXX vriend en vijand van het betere Nederlandstalige lied met een collectie rake, herkenbare teksten op een mooie, vlot in het gehoor liggende melodie."
katieker
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:05
message songs
Explanation:
With considerabloe thanks to Andre and Sabine for the explanations.

sample refs:

Review/Music; Message Songs From Ziggy Marley - New York Times
Where most reggae performers intersperse political and religious messages with love songs and dance tunes, Mr. Marley sang only message songs - about racial ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DEFD8123CF932A25757C0A96E948260

Civil Rights Songs
Like many other message songs however the suggested strategy is not to trust officials but to get mobilised and take responsibility for their own destiny. ...
www.localdial.com/users/jsyedu133/Soulreview/Significpages/...

Dylan Bibliography: Schmidt- Bob Dylans message songs der ...
Title: Bob Dylans message songs der Sechziger Jahre: und die anglo-amerikanische Tradition des sozialkritischen Liedes. Frankfurt am Main: P. Lang, c1982. ...
www.taxhelp.com/schmidt-message.html

Disco Savvy: Disco Message Songs
Disco Message Songs. While many disco songs are about dancing, partying, and romancing, there are other songs that have deeper messages. ...
www.discosavvy.com/messagesongs.html

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Ken Cox
Local time: 23:05
Grading comment
Many thanks for your help!
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Summary of answers provided
3singer songs
Andre de Vries
3message songs
Ken Cox
3the better song
Georgetina Meyer Kirkland


  

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
singer songs


Explanation:
this is rather difficult to translate - it refers to singer songwriters who appeared in the 1960s in Flanders modelling themselves on Bob Dylan and the like - in contrast to Flemish pop/country and western or "schlagers" (modelled on German crooners). No doubt someone else will have a better idea.

Andre de Vries
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:05
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sabine Piens: Also referred to as "luisterlied" or "kleinkunst" in Dutch. Van Dale says "songs in which the text is the most important element". I cannot confirm that "singer songs" is the correct term. Indeed difficult to translate !
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
message songs


Explanation:
With considerabloe thanks to Andre and Sabine for the explanations.

sample refs:

Review/Music; Message Songs From Ziggy Marley - New York Times
Where most reggae performers intersperse political and religious messages with love songs and dance tunes, Mr. Marley sang only message songs - about racial ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DEFD8123CF932A25757C0A96E948260

Civil Rights Songs
Like many other message songs however the suggested strategy is not to trust officials but to get mobilised and take responsibility for their own destiny. ...
www.localdial.com/users/jsyedu133/Soulreview/Significpages/...

Dylan Bibliography: Schmidt- Bob Dylans message songs der ...
Title: Bob Dylans message songs der Sechziger Jahre: und die anglo-amerikanische Tradition des sozialkritischen Liedes. Frankfurt am Main: P. Lang, c1982. ...
www.taxhelp.com/schmidt-message.html

Disco Savvy: Disco Message Songs
Disco Message Songs. While many disco songs are about dancing, partying, and romancing, there are other songs that have deeper messages. ...
www.discosavvy.com/messagesongs.html

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-05-19 16:58:17 GMT)
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Ken Cox
Local time: 23:05
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Grading comment
Many thanks for your help!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Andre de Vries: message song is too narrow a definition
6 days
  -> could well be -- maybe 'serious popular music' (to avoid negative constructions with 'mindless' and 'trivial', for example)
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the better song


Explanation:
How about this literal translation?
As the saying goes here in the U.S.: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Georgetina Meyer Kirkland
United States
Local time: 17:05
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
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