low for this generous vintage

English translation: that year gave high yields elsewhere

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English term or phrase:low for this generous vintage
Selected answer:that year gave high yields elsewhere
Entered by: B D Finch

10:06 Aug 24, 2015
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English term or phrase: low for this generous vintage
(from yields of only 14 hl/ha, which is incredibly low for this generous vintage).

source:
http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/romanee-conti-1979doma...

Could someone help me to rephrase "generous vintage"? Does vintage mean the wine or the year? Thanks a lot!
Ivan Niu
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that year gave high yields elsewhere
Explanation:
"This generous vintage " means that the year in question gave generally high yields. However this particular vinyard or area only yielded 14 hl/ha, which the writer describes as "incredibly low" by comparison with yields elsewhere for that year.
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4 +2that year gave high yields elsewhere
B D Finch
4normally gives a higher yield
Yvonne Gallagher
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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
that year gave high yields elsewhere


Explanation:
"This generous vintage " means that the year in question gave generally high yields. However this particular vinyard or area only yielded 14 hl/ha, which the writer describes as "incredibly low" by comparison with yields elsewhere for that year.

B D Finch
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agree  Charles Davis: Vintage means year, without question, and the 1979 red burgundy harvest was generally "successful", with a "large crop", just not in Romanée Conti, where " the yield was small due to hail in June" (says Sotheby's).
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agree  bestofbest
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  -> Thanks
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normally gives a higher yield


Explanation:
so the vintage this year difd not give its usual "generous" yield

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Note added at 17 mins (2015-08-24 10:23:47 GMT)
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oops DID (not difd)

"vintage" can be seen as the amount of wine per year in other words, the harvest so can be a synonym of "year" or even of the place a wine is bottled but a vintage may also include a percentage of wine from another year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vintage
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vintage

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a vintage or yield is affected by weather of course and some years can be exceptionally good or particularly bad

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http://vinous.com/articles/domaine-de-la-romanee-conti-an-es...
"...Co-manager Aubert de Villaine describes 1979 as a very difficult vintage. Hail arrived on June 3rd, just before flowering. The vines recovered and produced a second crop that was brought in from October 11-20. Yields were a measly 6-7 hectoliters per hectare..."
http://www.bipin.com/RomaneeNotes.htm
1979 vintage conditions The bud-break was abundant in 1979 but just before the flowering, Vosne-Romanée was hit by a severe hail storm that destroyed the vegetation and nearly 2/3 of the young gapes that were hardly born. The Romanée Conti and La Tâche area was most badly hit. Fortunately, thanks to the beautiful weather that followed, the vineyards recovered exceptionally fast and the very small crop that was left behind matured perfectly. The harvest took place from October 11 to 20. The "verjus" (grapes of second generation) that were picked in November made a wine that was not at the level of Grand Cru and was distilled and made into a Fine Bourgogne 1979 !

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Well went digging a bit more and discovered that the 1979 red Burgundy doesn't make it into the top ranks anywhere that I can see. Yes, in some parts it was a "successful" harvest" (but not in several part of Burgundy because of hailstorms) but certainly not outstanding and the wine was average -good (whereas 1978 was "outstanding")

Robert Parker, one of the most celebrated wine critics rates red Burgundy 1979 as "average"
http://www.erobertparker.com/newsearch/vintagechart1.aspx

and other charts put it in the average-good category but none have it as "generous" (which doesn't just mean quantity of wine but quality as well as the fruitiness/ripeness/high alcohol level of the grape which helps the durability of the wine)
1979 not mentioned at all here
http://www.jancisrobinson.com/learn/vintages/burgundy-red

and here it is only "good"
http://www.vintagewinegifts.co.uk/acatalog/vintage_wine_char...
Red Burgundys

Outstanding 1937, 1945, 1949, 1959, 1962, 1969, 1978, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010
Very good 1933, 1934, 1943, 1947, 1952, 1953, 1961, 1964, 1966, 1971, 1986, 1989, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2006, 2008, 2011
Good 1935, 1942, 1955, 1957, 1972, 1976, 1979, 1980, 1983, 1987, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2004, 2007

Yvonne Gallagher
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Reference information:
++ROMANÉE-CONTI 1979 Domaine de la Romanée-Conti Côte de Nuits. Grand Cruu. (from yields of only 14 hl/ha, which is incredibly low for this generous vintage).++ According to the Wikipedia article, and specifically, "Grand Cru" the yield is usually 35 hl/ha. The wines are incredibly expensive, and the 2nd most expensive in the world. I would, therefore, hazard a guess and say that for the year 1979, the yield was smaller than in previous years for "this vintage", but I would not say that it is comparing the yield to yields elsewhere. (I am not sure if Barbara (B D Finch) was alluding to this?).

http://www.wine-searcher.com/wine-35460-1979-domaine-de-la-r...
http://schiller-wine.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-most-expensive...
http://www.wine-searcher.com/regions-romanee-conti

***Domaine de la Romanée-Conti - Wikipedia, the free ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domaine_de_la_Romanée-Conti
Domaine de la Romanée-Conti, often abbreviated to DRC, is an estate in ... Yields are very low at an average of 25 hl/ha (the Grand Cru rendement is 35 hl/ha).***

Côte de Nuits - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Côte_de_Nuits
The Grand Crus of the Cote de Nuits are some of the smallest appellations in France, ... The village of Vougeot has just one Grand Cru vineyard - Clos Vougeot - that is ... and La Tâche, two monopoles of the Domaine de la Romanée-Conti. .... an exception to the yield maximum with an official plafond limite de classement or ...

La Tâche AOC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Tâche_AOC
La Tâche is an Appellation d'origine contrôlée (AOC) and Grand Cru vineyard for red wine in the Côte de Nuits subregion of Burgundy, with Pinot noir as ... Domaine de la Romanée-Conti La Tâche labels from 2005, 2006 and 2007. ... The five-year average annual production of the period 2003-2007 was somewhat higher, ...

Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
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Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Yvonne Gallagher: yes, my gut feeling is the vintage here, rather than comparing it to elsewhere
1 hr
  -> Thanks, I believe that is what is meant here too. Regards.
agree  acetran
1 day 23 hrs
  -> Thank you.
agree  phoenix11
17 days
  -> Thanks Phoenix. For the record though and it is now clear that the vintage was low all round due to weather conditions (hail). Thanks again.
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