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mind your p's and q's

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I found a different definition for "mind you p's and q's" in two different sources, and I'm wondering which is correct, or maybe if they are both correct, depending on the context.

Mind your Ps and Qs is an English language expression meaning "mind your manners", "mind your language", "be on your best behaviour", "watch what you're doing". (Wikipedia)

mind your p's and q's - also watch your p's and q's - pay close attention to small details. There had been two recent security problems in the company and everyone should mind their p's and q's. (Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms)

Please note: I don't have a specific context for the term in question.

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Discussion

Oliver Simões (asker) Jan 10, 2023:
@All Thank you for your invaluable feedback. :-)
Oliver Simões (asker) Dec 31, 2022:
@All I wonder if there was an interpretation error on the part of the Cambridge Dictionary editor(s) when they came up with their definition. Based on the explanations I've read so far (thank you, by the way), this seems to make more sense:

"There had been two recent security problems in the company and everyone should [be on their best behavior] (emphasis added)."

than this:
... everybody should [pay closer attention to details].

I'm just playing with the example sentence they have used. Any comments?

Oliver Simões (asker) Dec 31, 2022:
@Cilian I'm not sure about the usage here in the US, that's why I posted the question. I heard it a few times, but I can't remember the context. As far as the second meaning (i.e., "paying closer attention to details"), it was found in the Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms!
Cilian O'Tuama Dec 31, 2022:
I'd agree with "be on your best behaviour" Paying close attention to detail is IMO closer to dotting your i's and crossing your t's, but maybe our American cousins use the terms differently.
Tony M Dec 30, 2022:
@ Asker I agree with Phil: the idea is very certainly that of "be careful what you say and do" — pay attention, think carefully about what you are doing — don't put a foot wrong.
Christopher Schröder Dec 30, 2022:
To me it means be on your best behaviour, mind your manners
philgoddard Dec 30, 2022:
They're both correct The idea is "be careful what you say and do."

However, I think "pay close attention to small details" is a less than perfect definition, because it omits the idea of "or you could get into trouble".

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19 hrs

Be on your best behaviour or mind your manners

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Mind your Ps and Qs is an English language expression meaning "mind your manners", "mind your language", "be on your best behaviour", "watch what you're doing".

Attempts at explaining the origin of the phrase go back to the mid-19th century. One explanation favoured in a letter to the editors of Notes and Queries dated 1851, is a literal interpretation of the saying, regarding possible confusion between the lowercase letters p and q in schoolwork or typesetting.[1] This is mentioned in the 3rd edition Oxford English Dictionary, but the OED considers the explanation unlikely since "the chronology of the senses would argue against this, and no such connotation is evident in the earliest quotations" and says that the origin of the expression is unknown.[2]


Movable type p's and q's could be easily mistaken, especially as they are mirror-reversed from the printed result.
According to Michael Quinion, "investigations by the Oxford English Dictionary in 2007 when revising the entry turned up early examples of the use of Ps and Qs to mean learning the alphabet. The first is in a poem by Charles Churchill, published in 1763: ‘On all occasions next the chair / He stands for service of the Mayor, / And to instruct him how to use / His As and Bs, and Ps and Qs.’ The conclusion must be that this is the true origin."[3]

When pupils were taught lowercase alphabet, the position of the vertical line before or after the circle represented different letters: d & b, p & q. Pupils also had to mind the order of letters in the alphabet (p comes before q). As noted by W. D. Henkle in Educational Notes and Queries in 1876, in this sense the phrase should be "note your p's and q's" (lowercase), because the distinction of majuscule P and Q does not pose a problem.[4]

Nevertheless, a number of alternative explanations have been considered plausible. One suggests "Ps and Qs" is short for "pleases" and "thank-yous", the latter syllables pronounced like the letter "Q". Another proposal is from the English pubs and taverns of the 17th century: bartenders would keep watch over the pints and quarts consumed by the patrons, telling them to "mind their Ps and Qs".[5] This may also have been a reminder to bartenders not to confuse the two units, written as "p" and "q" on the tally slate.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_your_Ps_and_Qs
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ps-and-qs/



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https://dictionaryblog.cambridge.org/2012/04/17/mind-your-ps...

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What does P's and Q's mean slang?
The English idiom “mind your p's and q's” means to pay attention to the details of etiquette. Another way to say “mind your p's and q's” is to say “mind your manners!” or “be careful about the details!”
https://unclegoose.com/blogs/blog/what-does-it-mean-to-mind-...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : Many of those are no more than charming legends, though the compositor's instruction makes a lot of sense, especially as most would in those days have been illiterate! But confusing letters with ascenders / descenders makes sense, kids often have trouble
1 hr
As a non-native I was quite glad to learn about this idiom for the first time and since we have almost the same phenomenon in Greek with 'n' and 's', it surely refers to the meticulous person, attentive to details, in all likelihood. Bonne Année!
neutral Yvonne Gallagher : Phil already answered this question in Dbox so you could have posted this as ref? Asker asked for (current) meaning, not provenance
1 hr
Bonne Année à vous aussi!
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