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barbering

English translation: applies to men

19:53 Nov 18, 2011
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Art/Literary - Cosmetics, Beauty
English term or phrase: barbering
I am translating this training verification form: http://tinyurl.com/83pgmj3

Does the word ‘’barbering’’ as used in this form mean ‘’the practice of cutting hair, of BOTH men AND women’’? (despite the fact that most dictionaries define a barber as a person whose occupation is to cut men’s hair).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Grzegorz Mysiński
Poland
Local time: 20:56
Selected answer:applies to men
Explanation:
I think 'barbering' applies to cutting men's hair and cutting women's hair is covered by cosmetology. See wikipedia reference on cosmetology which includes hair styling and hair colouring:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmetology



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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-11-18 22:15:13 GMT)
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This Wikipedia article also says:

"In the United States, all states require barbers, cosmetologists, and most other personal appearance workers (with the exception of shampooers in very few states, not including CA) to be licensed; however, qualifications for a license vary by state...Generally, a person must have graduated from a state-licensed barber or cosmetology school and be at least 17 years old...Applicants for a license usually are required to pass a written test and demonstrate an ability to perform basic barbering or cosmetology services."

As it has listed hairdressing and styling as falling under cosmotology, suggests that barbering has been included to make reference to male hairdressing/styling.



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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-11-18 22:24:15 GMT)
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See this source too: http://education-portal.com/articles/Barber_vs_Cosmetologist...

It says: "What's the difference between barbers and cosmetologists? Both professions cut, style and wash hair, but barbers are better known for cutting men's hair while cosmetologists have female and male clientele. In addition to hairstyling, cosmetologists perform pedicures, manicures, waxing treatments, facials and makeup application. Cosmetologists may also specialize in one or more of these beauty treatments."


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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-11-18 22:27:49 GMT)
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Another interesting point raised on this website: http://www.tdlr.state.tx.us/barbers/barberfaq.htm

Practice
1. What is the difference in practice between a barber and a cosmetologist? What can one do that the other cannot?

The answer is relatively simple and is defined in statute and through opinions issued by the Attorney General.

•By statute, only a barber may remove hair from the face or body with a razor.
•A Cosmetologist may not remove and facial or body hair with a razor or shave the outline of a haircut.
2. Are cosmetologists allowed to trim someone’s beard or mustache?

Yes. Part of the definition of cosmetology in statute (Chapter 1602.002) is “treating a person’s mustache or beard by arranging, beautifying, coloring, processing, styling, or trimming;” However, a cosmetologist is not allowed to shave a mustache or beard.

So barbers are licenced to use a razor on a man's face, while cosmetologists can only 'trim'.
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Lindsay Spratt
France
Local time: 20:56
Grading comment
Thank you!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +3applies to men
Lindsay Spratt
4 +2unisex hairdressing
David Hollywood


Discussion entries: 2





  

Answers


4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
unisex hairdressing


Explanation:
has to apply to both sexes

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Note added at 5 mins (2011-11-18 19:59:17 GMT)
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having read the form "barbering" has to cover both sexes regardless of its usual male connotation

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Note added at 8 mins (2011-11-18 20:01:36 GMT)
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note that the following reference definition states "especially men"

bar·ber   [bahr-ber] Show IPA
noun
1. a person whose occupation it is to cut and dress the hair of customers, especially men, and to shave or trim the beard.

"epecially" but not "exclusively"

David Hollywood
Local time: 15:56
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jenni Lukac (X): Looking at the form, these people seem to have taken "barbering" as an overall term as they later break it down into men's and women's hairdressing.
22 mins
  -> that's my reading too Jenni and thanks :)
agree  lorenab23
2 hrs
  -> thanks Lorena :)
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
applies to men


Explanation:
I think 'barbering' applies to cutting men's hair and cutting women's hair is covered by cosmetology. See wikipedia reference on cosmetology which includes hair styling and hair colouring:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmetology



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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-11-18 22:15:13 GMT)
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This Wikipedia article also says:

"In the United States, all states require barbers, cosmetologists, and most other personal appearance workers (with the exception of shampooers in very few states, not including CA) to be licensed; however, qualifications for a license vary by state...Generally, a person must have graduated from a state-licensed barber or cosmetology school and be at least 17 years old...Applicants for a license usually are required to pass a written test and demonstrate an ability to perform basic barbering or cosmetology services."

As it has listed hairdressing and styling as falling under cosmotology, suggests that barbering has been included to make reference to male hairdressing/styling.



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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-11-18 22:24:15 GMT)
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See this source too: http://education-portal.com/articles/Barber_vs_Cosmetologist...

It says: "What's the difference between barbers and cosmetologists? Both professions cut, style and wash hair, but barbers are better known for cutting men's hair while cosmetologists have female and male clientele. In addition to hairstyling, cosmetologists perform pedicures, manicures, waxing treatments, facials and makeup application. Cosmetologists may also specialize in one or more of these beauty treatments."


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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-11-18 22:27:49 GMT)
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Another interesting point raised on this website: http://www.tdlr.state.tx.us/barbers/barberfaq.htm

Practice
1. What is the difference in practice between a barber and a cosmetologist? What can one do that the other cannot?

The answer is relatively simple and is defined in statute and through opinions issued by the Attorney General.

•By statute, only a barber may remove hair from the face or body with a razor.
•A Cosmetologist may not remove and facial or body hair with a razor or shave the outline of a haircut.
2. Are cosmetologists allowed to trim someone’s beard or mustache?

Yes. Part of the definition of cosmetology in statute (Chapter 1602.002) is “treating a person’s mustache or beard by arranging, beautifying, coloring, processing, styling, or trimming;” However, a cosmetologist is not allowed to shave a mustache or beard.

So barbers are licenced to use a razor on a man's face, while cosmetologists can only 'trim'.

Lindsay Spratt
France
Local time: 20:56
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Susana Alves: I agree, barbering for men and cosmetology for women.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Susana!
agree  Tina Vonhof (X): In Canada I go to a hair stylist, not a cosmetologist.
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, Tina!
agree  Ashutosh Mitra
5 hrs
  -> Thanks, Ashutosh!
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