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ابتداء دون

English translation: Void ab initio; null ab initio

17:13 Feb 20, 2021
Arabic to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Contract(s) / End of Service Letter
Arabic term or phrase: ابتداء دون
هي باطلة ومردودة ابتداء دون محاججة مني في ذلك
Verity Roat
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:22
English translation:Void ab initio; null ab initio
Explanation:
Dear Verity,

Although the context is not unmistakable, the term 'void ab initio' can fit the bill if the context has to do with legal parlance. It is also less inflated and redundant because if something is 'void ab initio', then it is not to be further challenged. The other part of the phrase, i.e., دون محاججة مني may not be translated.

"Ab Initio prep. Latin phrase meaning "from the start"; literal meaning being something done 'from scratch'. In legal parlance it stands from: 1.) if any legal agreement is void ab initio then it stands null and void from the very beginning of its intended existence and not just from the instant its declared as void. 2.) if a person enters onto someone's private property (real estate) by authority of law but later maltreats that authority then he becomes a trespasser ab initio." (Legal Explanation, 12 Feb 2020)

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Mohammad Nazeeh
Palestine
Local time: 02:22
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2Basically without/Essentially without
Z-Translations Translator
4 +2from the onset without
Saeed Najmi
5beginning unverified
ahmed badawy
4 +1Void ab initio; null ab initio
Mohammad Nazeeh


  

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beginning unverified


Explanation:
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https://context.reverso.net/الترجمة/العربية-الإنجليزية/ابتدا...

ahmed badawy
Egypt
Local time: 01:22
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic
PRO pts in category: 3
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19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Basically without/Essentially without


Explanation:
Basically without/Essentially without


Z-Translations Translator
Local time: 10:22
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Milena Atanasova: Maybe a parsing problem: هي باطلة ومردودة ابتداء، دون محاججة مني في ذلك It was null and void in the first place, no contention by me on this point.
29 mins
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agree  Diya Takrouri: https://www.legal-explanations.com/ab-initio/
2 hrs
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Void ab initio; null ab initio


Explanation:
Dear Verity,

Although the context is not unmistakable, the term 'void ab initio' can fit the bill if the context has to do with legal parlance. It is also less inflated and redundant because if something is 'void ab initio', then it is not to be further challenged. The other part of the phrase, i.e., دون محاججة مني may not be translated.

"Ab Initio prep. Latin phrase meaning "from the start"; literal meaning being something done 'from scratch'. In legal parlance it stands from: 1.) if any legal agreement is void ab initio then it stands null and void from the very beginning of its intended existence and not just from the instant its declared as void. 2.) if a person enters onto someone's private property (real estate) by authority of law but later maltreats that authority then he becomes a trespasser ab initio." (Legal Explanation, 12 Feb 2020)

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    https://www.legal-explanations.com/ab-initio/
Mohammad Nazeeh
Palestine
Local time: 02:22
Works in field
Native speaker of: Arabic
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Milena Atanasova: I'd just like to point out that it's a termination letter. I'm not sure there's so much legalese in these.
1 hr
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
from the onset without


Explanation:
is ''void or null'' to quote Milena, and rebuttable right from the onset without argumentation from my part.
see almaany for محاججة
ابتذاء تعني أنها باطلة من البداية أو من الأصل دون الحاجة إلى الخوض في التفاصيل و الإدلاء بحجج لدحضها


    Rebuttable legal definition of Rebuttable - Legal Dictionarylegal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com
    Reference: http://https://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-en/%D9%85%D8%AD%D8...
Saeed Najmi
Morocco
Local time: 00:22
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Milena Atanasova: Thank you, Saeed. And yes, that was my point.
57 mins
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agree  Sarah ReBen: Basically without
3 hrs
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